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[massimo]

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

Not replying to e-mails that ask them to do something or fix bugs on this site is their common policy. You did not notice yet?
I am waiting for replies to several of my PM´s and e-mails etc. for several months and I don´t really believe, it will ever come.

Mirka,
this is a private and free site so I do not accuse them of anything, i am sure they have their own problems and things to do.
I was just wondering if somebody had news.
massimo

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by massimo

Mirka,
I am sure they have their own problems and things to do.
I was just wondering if somebody had news.
massimo

So do I. Therefore I am still waiting for reply, why they have time to browse my private albums and download photos and put them in galleries on WD. When they are so busy...

Latest news, as far as I know, is "Z Peronowki" selling puppy to Brazil.

[Margo]

Oh, Mirka - I see you already found the answer: We are busy with trading with the puppies and we forgot that our DUTY is to work for others. And when we do not fulfil this everybody has the right to send us angry unpleasant private meesages...

In this case I understand the photos are just a pretext. I respect people that are able to say directly what is the problem without finding any silly reasons to make somebodys life harder. The photos that were added to galleries by me where the photos sent by Belgian and Dutch people to my email address [email protected] or [email protected]. I did not know the people did send the photos to me without asking you for permissions. But I spent few days and went through the WHOLE gallery and removed every single photo with your logo because I have enough of calling me a thief. Maybe I overlooked some photos so If you will find any photo made by you and posted without your permission be so kind and send me an email - i will remove it so fast as possible...
I will also sent separate emails to people which send your photos to me (I'm not sure if I remeber everyone... ). I also promise I will no longer accept new photos with your logo sent by anybody else than you even if the person will get your permission. That way you can be sure the copyright laws of your photos will never be broken again. I really have no time to ask everyone who uploads your photos if he has a special written permission from you that allows it to be published on wolfdog.org.

PS. Before making any new gossips it is better to check the reality...
NO, we are not seeling puppy to Brasil at the moment. Jezebeth has new owner (Nebulosa) since almost one year.
But YES, we have a very nice guest from Brazil at the moment who came to Europe to meet some CzWs and their owners... It is the reason why I will be again not online for next few days....

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by Margo

Oh, Mirka - I see you already found the answer: We are busy with trading with the puppies and we forgot that our DUTY is to work for others. And when we do not fulfil this everybody has the right to send us angry unpleasant private meesages...

Yeah. Unpleasant reply also reply. Nice to hear from you.
No, I do not think that your DUTY is to work for others. Neither is our duty to send you photos and informations about our dogs, is it. So if we do something for you, you have to do something for us.. Sorry that´s how it works.

Originally Posted by Margo

In this case I understand the photos are just a pretext. I respect people that are able to say directly what is the problem without finding any silly reasons to make somebodys life harder. The photos that were added to galleries by me where the photos sent by Belgian and Dutch people to my email address [email protected] or [email protected]. I did not know the people did send the photos to me without asking you for permissions.

You know very well, that I am not the only one waiting for replies from you. Yes, I have problems with the photos. Other people have problems with not added litters, dog show results and other informations. I suppose they also only seek to make your life harder, when actually they just want to improve the database informations! On your private website, should I add, yes?

Originally Posted by Margo

But I spent few days and went through the WHOLE gallery and removed every single photo with your logo because I have enough of calling me a thief. Maybe I overlooked some photos so If you will find any photo made by you and posted without your permission be so kind and send me an email - i will remove it so fast as possible...

You are being ridiculous. Photos with the copyrights on it are of no concern to me, that´s why they have the logo on it. Erasing photos with copyright, and especially those sent by me, is rather silly way how to act.

If you´d bother really reading my e-mails or messages, you´d know very well, that I spoke about NOT-COPYRIGHTED photos, on which were pictured often shy or problematic dogs (for example from our Belgian bonitation). I do not want to be acused by owners of these dogs, that I show their dogs troubles on Wolfdog.org.
Another case is photos from Litomerice dog show, which I am sure I did not submit, but they appeared here.

And you know very well, that I am not the only person, who has troubles with photos stolen, or lets call it taken from their website without permission. When we used to co-operate with WD and submit photos for you through the painfully difficult and elaborated process, we were getting numerous e-mails from people, who did not send photos to you (or Wolfdog.org) and yet photos from their kennels were appearing in the galleries. As we also were not getting replies from you about this, we gradually went rather tired of supporting Wolfdog.org and its practices.

Originally Posted by Margo

I will also sent separate emails to people which send your photos to me (I'm not sure if I remeber everyone... ). I also promise I will no longer accept new photos with your logo sent by anybody else than you even if the person will get your permission. That way you can be sure the copyright laws of your photos will never be broken again. I really have no time to ask everyone who uploads your photos if he has a special written permission from you that allows it to be published on wolfdog.org.

Yeah. Nothing so good as beating the poor owners of the dogs, who send you copyrighted photos. Good job.

Originally Posted by Margo

PS. Before making any new gossips it is better to check the reality...
NO, we are not seeling puppy to Brasil at the moment. Jezebeth has new owner (Nebulosa) since almost one year.
But YES, we have a very nice guest from Brazil at the moment who came to Europe to meet some CzWs and their owners... It is the reason why I will be again not online for next few days....

Sure. As if it did not mean, that the dog will leave with her to Brazil. You are not trying to make me believe, she´s gonna own the dog long-distance for ever, are you.

It´s actually sad, that by your ignoring my e-mails and messages we have to discuss this publicly, like some silly gossipers. I have searched ways to solve this calmly and privately, but eventually direct public approach unfortunatelly appeared to be the only one, that worked. By the way you act though, it is not me who is beaten up on your decision, but the poor owners of dogs, who sent you copyrighted and therefore APPROOVED pictures.

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

Sure. As if it did not mean, that the dog will leave with her to Brazil. You are not trying to make me believe, she´s gonna own the dog long-distance for ever, are you.

Maybe she want's metting the owner of the dog before the dog leaves for be sure that the owner are prepared for that?
Maybe as any good breeder must she was worried about send the dog far for who she not know personally?
Maybe because she is a experienced breeder who know that some people write very beautifull and correct things but in truth don't do what talk as we can comonly find in this forum for exemple?

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

Latest news, as far as I know, is "Z Peronowki" selling puppy to Brazil.

Now, is only tink a little bit, isn't this attitud ricidulous?

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Now, is only tink a little bit, isn't this attitud ricidulous?

Not at all. You do?

But I find Margo´s attitude very ridiculous, for sure.

First, because we used to be long-termedly helping Wolfdog - my husband was moderator for the French forum, he did translate the whole site into Spanish, he and me we were adding photos for the galleries and so on. Obviously we did all this just to make her life harder (and because we had nothing better to do with our time, of course.)
But when the same people ask unpleasant questions, now that is problem.

Second, because Margo does not understand the meaning of copyright protected photos.

Third, because so far every dog that I remember photographing and I checked his/her gallery has still in it my photos - the copyrighted ones.
So it seems to me, that it is exclusively my dogs, who´s photos were erased. Obviously asking unpleasant questions has to be punished.

Perhaps, instead of spitting around poisonously, would be better to ask oneself, why people, who helped me for months and spend enormous amount of time doing it now changed attitude.

Discussing this publicly is stupid and derogating and also ridiculous, when it could have been fixed through few e-mails months ago. I have seen now Margo´s attitude and gratitude and that´s enough. My e-mail and PM´s are known to all WD admins, so there we can talk.

[massimo]

instead i absolutely do not care about photos...
everybody knows the pics I publish are totally free to be used and I already authorised Margo to use them as she wanted.
What I would like is, kindly, a reply to my messages, that's all.
It is a matter of courtesy, specially to those who, like me I think, have contributed to make improve this site with info, pics...

And...I do not care if you sell puppies in Brazil or Australia or Japan.....
i would likt to participate to make the site and database better...that's all.

But it's definitely true that lately the site has been left behind.

Massimo