HD results

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

There is an easy solution to that problem, like for Dwarfs there is a genetic test now awailable for HD, inveted by a German institut and verified on German Shepherds. They now start to verify it for other breeds and the waiting list is long but I will arrange for it. My problem is, as I wrote before in this forum without reaction, I need 500 CSW that have official results, half of them free, half of them with HD. It is impossible to get this amount only in Germany so please, if you and/or your breeding club is willing to help me send me a message. It makes no sense for me to even start asking if I am not able to get those dogs.

What exactly do you need, Ina? Photos? DNR sample? What can we do to help you in this case?

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

What I really wonder about is of the Elbows results, nobody make this exam and when its made its possible to find even breeders using affected dogs, as if Elbows displasy was not important ( when in truth the problem is bigger than the Hips one), and yes, the breed is affected with this problem, we only don'thave many positives because nobody test! it's really a problem and will turn the things difficult if people don't start to get aware, test the dogs and took out of breeding the affected dogs.

Yes, you right.... We checked the dogs with ED-problems and there are more and more dogs with elbow dysplasia. Mainly because some breeders do not care about it...

The most cases are found in Italy but not because it is "italian probem" but because many dogs are checked there (here I want to say thank you tothe owners who check the dogs!).... But we saw some dogs with visible problems with elbows also in Czech Repoublic and some other countries - nobody speaks about such problem there because almost nobody check the elbows there and the problem stay "hidden".

What I must say: your breed is not free of the elbows problems. It is pretty seldom BUT the the ED seem to be highly inheritated (much more that the HD). So the possibility that offspring of a dog with ED problems will also have ED is VERY HIGH. Because of this we decided to remove all stud dogs with ED worser that ED 0/0 from the stud dog list and suggest the breeders also to check elbows by their dogs. EXPECIALLY in the lines where ED problems appear....

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Hanka

I have question. Do you belive to all results of HD what are publiced here on wolfdog? What do you mean about central database (gallery) of these fotos? Scanned X-ray fotos? Everybody can see it and measure it.
Is it possible to make good databese from X-ray fotos? Or is it out from our technical posibilites?

Technicalyx there is no problem. But because of the "problems" listed by Nebulosa and Ina it make no sence to do this... It is already pretty hard to get the scanned copies...
But in the new database we can add the possiblity to add also the photo of the hips if you want...

PS. We made something more important - we collect information who made the x-rays. So in the new database you will have information not only about the results but also the name of the vet who checked it.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Margo

PS. We made something more important - we collect information who made the x-rays. So in the new database you will have information not only about the results but also the name of the vet who checked it.

And extra important I think, if it is a vet or a HD committee

Regards / Mikael

[Hanka]

Hello Margo, thanks for answer about technical problems. Yes, I had seen some dogs with elbow problems on bonitations. Maybe can be good to open disscussion about elbow rtg for all czech dogs- for breeding.
Ina- I will be in Bratislava too, we can speak about it too.
Daiva- why do you mean I will measure or comment any your fotos? No, I will not .
I like, the people can write about this problem...I want read some other ideas too......
Yes, everybody can give one this foto (X-ray) to normal gallery too, I know.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Daiva- why do you mean I will measure or comment any your fotos? No, I will not .
.

And I wait for this style reply thanks Hanka.

p.s. Hanka if You say - "I see dogs with elbow problems in CZ" maybe better make this ED examination for all breed dogs in CZ, in others country this is make, and we know only max ED 1 cann to breed, but better when dog have ED 0.
In this case Not exist good reproductors in CZ (not all, I special check yet data basa)- this dogs not have ED test. And this for me is moore important not who make HD or are rtg skan in galery or not.

[wolfin]

Hanka, maybe You know and cann say: why in CZ people and You not make ED when make HD examination in this same thime? I see dogs who have and HD and ED but moore dogs from You kennel or others big kennel not have this. Thanks for reply.

[Hanka]

hello Daiva. But every big new thing, condition for breeding, etc. must go over konference of club. And it will not be this year. We have more new things what we want to do. But we can´t do it from one day to second day. Because we have democration and every member must know about new things and every member can vote if he wants it or no. i hope it will be.
It is easy to breed in country where is not club or 5 members in club . But we have one big club, two parts of it (for two smaller countries in Czech) and everything must "go over" two parts, two comitets, etc.
In this moment is FOR ME important to know , what male I want use for my female. Not only to read "A" and nothing more. I want see X-ray foto, I want see biting....
It was stupid idea to send me some your foto. I want see it (X-ray fotos)for me, for my private meaning. It can be good for every breeder. I don´t know why I can write you something about some your fotos.
I am not certificated expert, so my meaning is only my meaning. Good for me, for my choosing of male.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Mikael

And extra important I think, if it is a vet or a HD committee

Regards / Mikael

The most important thing is if it is a vet that has a special and repeated training in this work or if it is any vet that can take a x-ray. And if the systhem is that those vets judge some breeds or any breeds because there are differences.