The CSV a working breed - how do I understand the codes

[Pavel]

Hi,

The creator of the GSD (Max V. Steph.) picked his foundation stock dogs
FIRST on herding ability (they were all winners of major herding events,
many were represented as 'wolfdogs' by their owners) and later he refined
'the look' of the GSD.

Its the same by CsW. Our race was created in first row for work and
first later come the exterior selection. But today can see, that
exterior selection is the first and the working possibility is
absolutely background only for breed.

what is working genes ? Genetic is one of my favourite topic :0). How can
you recognise dog with or without "working genes" :0))))).

Maybe I wrote it with wrong terms. "Working gens" I mean "working
possibility" (in Czech we say "gens" or "cells" ) ). And how to
recognise it ? No other system yet, then make a working exam. It
function exactly so by military by creation of race. Dogs without exam
dont come to breed. Because army need 100% really working dogs only.

Pavel

[Minna]

Hi,

I hope that we don't need working titles to our CsVs in order to prevent
banning the breed in any countiers. There are so many breeds that are not so
called working dogs and they aren't on any banned lists, because they are
not aggressive. However, many so called working dog breeds are on those
lists (take for example the Rottweiler), because these breeds are
successfully bread to work as a weapon ... and then when these dogs are in
the wrong hands accidents happen.

What I really like in CsVs are not the GSD characteristics, but the other
ones. They are wonderful and very clever dogs, much more interesting than
any "normal" working dog breed. And every real dog freak can still learn
from them about dog's behaviour. I am much more afraid that the CsV ends up
to be just another GSD.

With this I didn't mean that we should not work with CsVs. My dogs can all
basic obedience and my male dog is pretty good at tracking. But I would not
like to train my dogs to be the same (sorry to say) stupid robots that so
many other dogs are. I would not be proud of the dog that only wants to
please me without using its own head. What I really respect in my dogs are
these qualities that they for example don't want to play with some stupid
ball all the time - they need more intelligent games. Too many GSDs I know
are only running after a ball or defending their toys from other dogs or
from other people while outside and they can't or don't want to play with
other dogs anymore. Would it be sad if CsVs turned out to be like that - to
me it would mean a total loss of their intelligence.

What comes to running 20 or 40 km, I think it is a good idea. How many
breeds are able to do this now a days? At least it would show that CsVs
still can run and are healthy.

What I really love in my dogs is that they are not overly anything (not
overly protective, not too keen on playing and so on) but so extremely
many-sided and clever.

Minna

[Minna]

Short reply to you An,

just buy a GSD (or maybe you own already) and you will be happy. I have own
some GSDs and worked with many (my dogs had titles too) and I certainly
would not like to see CsVs to turn out to be just like they are. I am
absolutely sure that my CsV are less dangerous to people (especially to
children) than my GSDs were, because my CsVs are so clever that they know
that a child or a jogger is not a prey animal ...

If I would like my dog to get a herding title I would buy a border collie. I
happen to know many border collies too: they are herding all the time, they
also do this with children, they are extreme. And that is what I like in
CsVs that they are not yet bred into any special direction.

Minna

[Per Olav]

Hi to you all.

My own homepage ( http://www.wolfdog.no ) is slowly progressing but still it's a long way to go. This time I like to show my Norwegian visitors the versatility of the CSV as a working breed.

On the "Dogs with certificate" pages of the wolfdog.org site are listed a lot of codes ( ZUV, ZOP etc) which are not easily understood by the visitors, at least not by those visiting my page

I wonder if it's possible to make a short English translation of the codes and a summary of the test referring to the codes?

A blessed Eastern holliday to all of you.
--
Per Olav

[Per Olav]

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[Claressa]

Hello Per Olav

Here are some links that migth help you a littlebit:

http://www.nwk9.com/working_titles.htm#title

http://www.nwk9.com/pedigree_czech.htm


Best regards,
Steffen

[Per Olav]

Originally Posted by Claressa

Hello Per Olav

Here are some links that migth help you a littlebit:

http://www.nwk9.com/working_titles.htm#title

http://www.nwk9.com/pedigree_czech.htm


Best regards,
Steffen

Thanks, my friend. It helped a bit, but still missing some of the abbreviations used on the "certificate" page.
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Per Olav

[Kerstin]

Hello Community,

can you please explain to me, what does the dog have to do at following Czech exams:

ZPU 2,
ZM
ZVV1 - 3?

Do you have to pass the previous exam to go to the next step e.g. ZOP, ZPU 1, ZPU 2 and then? Or can you just jump in?

Is there any source where it is translated into English or German?

Thanks in advance for your help and best regards,

Kerstin

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by Kerstin

can you please explain to me, what does the dog have to do at following Czech exams:

ZPU 2,
ZM
ZVV1 - 3?

Do you have to pass the previous exam to go to the next step e.g. ZOP, ZPU 1, ZPU 2 and then? Or can you just jump in?

Unfortunatelly, there is no translation for these exams. However, to be able to apply for test ZPU 2, you have to first pass test ZOP and then ZPU1.
Also, for applying to ZVV1-3, you have to first pass ZM.

ZOP is more or less simple obedience (on leash, off leash and in group), and with going higher (ZPU1 - ZPU2) the difficulty graduates plus tracking or defence is added to the obedience. ZOP in fact means "zakladni ovladatelnost psa" which is basic controllability of the dog.

ZM is "zakladni minimum" which is "basic minimum". This is test, where all three important parts are tested - tracking, obedience, defence. Going higher (ZVV1-3) the test gets more diffiult, like the track is longer and older, more complicated, the defence is harder and more is asked in obedience etc.

[Kerstin]

Thanks Mirka,

I have some more questions: Can you compare ZM/ZVV with SchH/IPO exams with similar exercises or whats different?

What are the differences in the obedience part ZPU1 to ZPU2? On ZPU2 can you choose tracking & obedience only or has to dog to do defence work?

Regards,
Kerstin

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by Kerstin

Thanks Mirka,

I have some more questions: Can you compare ZM/ZVV with SchH/IPO exams with similar exercises or whats different?

No I can´t. This is better explained by somebody, who has "hands on" experience with these tests. I can look at the tests and what is required on them, but I cannot compare them and explain the differences. Theoretically, I believe they are equally difficult, however I find IPO more difficult for CSWs, because IPO is a lot about the speed in which the dog performs, accuracy etc. The Czech exam system (ZM, ZVV) is more about the real use of the dog.

Originally Posted by Kerstin

What are the differences in the obedience part ZPU1 to ZPU2? On ZPU2 can you choose tracking & obedience only or has to dog to do defence work?

All obedience in ZPU1 is done off leash. ZPU1 is still divided into individual obedience with the dog and then obedience in the group. Plus the excersise of the choise - either guarding the object, or tracking.

ZPU2 consists of tracking, obedience and defence. No choices are given, to absolve it, you must do all three things. ZPU2 is close to what is required on ZM or ZVV1. There is no group obedience or other group exercises in ZPU2.

The obedience of ZPU2 is similar to ZPU 1, but harder. For example, in ZPU1 you have simple aport of object. In ZPU2, the dog has to do the aport jumping over obstacle there and back. In ZPU1, the dog has to bark in "heel" position. In ZPU2, the dog must sit one step in front of you and bark etc.

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by Kerstin

Is there any source where it is translated into English or German?

So far not...but we plan to translate them.. Not the whole regulations but at last the list of exercises for every exam... I hope it will help...
I hope only that the winter this year will be strong and there will be no more CzW meetings... (it means we will have enough free time to work on it )

[zikika]

If it can help you Andrea Pecharova (Foresta Incantata Kennel)translated something in italian e maybe exist one translator that can translate from italian to german.
You can read it on :
Foresta Incantata's Website
http://www.forestaincantata.it/Brevetti.htm

or there (my web site,only in italian)
http://www.pilamaya.it/lavoro.htm

and many thanks to Andrea that has permitted me to understand something in this czech exams

[Kerstin]

That is a great overview of most exams. I am still thinking about whats harder to understand? Czech or Italian? Maybe/Hopefully sooner or later somebody is able to translate it in English or even better in German I hope. And I hope it is a human....

The Google language translator tried hard, but it did not make any sense. No dog people programming this

But thanks again, I think I know someone I can ask then, when I need to find out something.

Regards,
Kerstin

[Nebulosa]

I try translate two of then, if have something wrong, please correct that.
When I have more time if these was fine I can try translate more


Criteria for the ZM test – basic licence
1.Minimal age 12 months
2.For the participation isn’t needed another title.
3.The commands mark on the regulament are:
Z = Acoustic
P = Manual
If the regulation mark the two, can be used one of then ( or acustic or manual) or the two ( acustic and manual)
Excercices and maximun score:

Track
(max. 50 points)
The dog must follow one track previously traced from his handler, with 150 – 200 steps, in right angle and 15 minuts old, the end is indicated with one personal object of the handler, the limit time to do the track is 5 minuts.

Obedience
a) Callback (possiblein the two ways) – Max 10 points
b) Lead with leash – Max 10 points
c) Sit and down with leash – max 10 points
d) Retrieving ( handler’s object) – max 10 points
e) Down out leash ( distance 15 steps) – max 10 points

Defense
a)Searching (30x40 on the land or 80x100 steps on the fiels, two hiding place) – max 10 points
b) Helper signalization – max 10 points
c) Defence of the handler – max 10 points
d) Helpler catch ( 25 steps) – max 10 points
e) Dog’s resistence – max 10 points



Criteria for ZVV1 test - Working universal test for dogs first degree
1) Minimal age 14 months
2) For the participation isn’t needed another title.
3)The commands mark on the regulament are:
Z = Acoustic
P = Manual
If the regulation mark the two, can be used one of then ( or acustic or manual) or the two ( acustic and manual)

Maximum scores and exsercices:
The maximun score is 300 points, minimal 210 points with the condition that in every discipline have been received up to 70 points.

Track
(max. 100 points)
The dog must follow one track previously traced from his handler, with 350 – 400 steps, with 2 right angle and 30 minuts old, the first object is in the track and the second at the end, the limit time to do the track is 10 minuts.

Obedience
a) Callback at foot and in motion – Max 10 points
b) Lead with leash – Max 10 points
c) Sit, down and at foot with leash ( at foot) – max 10 points
d) Stay down in motion – max 10 points
e) Bark ( at foot and with leash) - max. 10 points
f) Retrieving - max. 10 points
g) Jump ( 100cm) - Max. 10 points
h) Jump climbed (180 cm, in one direction) - max. 10 points
i) Low beam ( one direction) - max. 10 points
J) Free down (25 foots of distance) - max 10 points

Defence
a) Finding the helpler:
- Searching at land ( 40x50 steps with four hiding places) - max 10 points
- Signalling the helpler - max 10 points
b) Helpler aprehension (helpler catch)
- Searching the helpler - max. 10 points
- Helpler interrogation - max. 10 points
c) Handler defence
- Unexpected helpler attack during interrogation - max. 15 points
- Control of the dog (leave) - max. 5 points
d) independent dog job
- Helpler aprehension ( 50 steps) - max. 15 points
Control of the dog (leave) - max 5 points
e) Dog's resistence
- attack the dog with 2 blows - max 15 points
- Control of the dog (leave) - max 5 points