Can of Worms: Update on Mutara dogs?

[Gypsy Wolf]

Hi all,
I am sure I am opening a can of worms by bringing this topic up, but I strongly believe that only transparency and honesty in breeding will help us improve our breed...
I would like to know what has happened in regards to the "Mutara" dogs? There is not a whole lot of "official" information (at least in English) can find on the subject - and most of the information I do have is subjective - statements on this forum that may or may not be accurate or true.
From what I can gather, at some point in the last few years, a GSD mix and a North American wolf were bred, with the intent to expand our gene pool. This seems to have happened in an Italian kennel, with the pups registered as Vlcaks and later shown and titled as such.
Though I do agree that sometimes new blood needs to be brought in for certain breeds' gene pools (here in the U.S. the Basenji and Canaan dog folks have brought dogs in from their native countries without papers to widen gene pool) I can't imagine why it would be a MIX (better to use a papered, pure-bred GSD to be able to trace lineage, I would think) and a North American Wolf (weren't the Carpathian wolves selected as they have better character traits than the NA wolves?)???
Most of the posts I found were dated 2003 - it's 7 years later - what has happened? Officially? And in Reality?
As a fancier and consumer, if you will, I would not want a Mutara or anything even close. Too much "unknown" for me. I want a REAL, pure Vlcak, with a history I can trace back to it's inception, and see for myself the dogs Karel Hartl himself chose to breed together. I want a VLCAK, not a wolf hybrid...

[Mikael]

Maybe this Google translation can help you ???

>>> http://translate.google.com/translat...&sl=auto&tl=en

Very best regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

Wolfdog.org Admin did write this in the past...

COPY from Wolfdog.org

...

"We do not advertise here kennels:

- which mix and register Saarloos-Czechoslovakian Wolfdog mixes

- which use lines where appear the offsprings of the mix
Dark (priv. Locchi) who was registered by ENCI with the false parents names. And it doesn't matter in ANY GENERATION the dog will appear

- which own and use for breeding the nonbreeds know as Mutaras (Ave Lupo ---Mutara--, Audrey Lupo ---Mutara--- and Ares Lupo ---Mutara---)

- which own and/or use for breeding any nonbreeds and their offsprings comming from the S- Passo del Lupo litter: Selly Passo del Lupo, Sakim Passo del Lupo, Sam Passo del Lupo, Sangria Passo del Lupo, Sanika Passo del Lupo and Seiko Passo del Lupo.


REASON: There is no advertising and soon the future puppy buyers will be warned not to buy any puppies from this lines and kennels because the litter S-Passo del Lupo, Dark and Mutaras were officialy BANNED by the Slovak Club and recognized as NON-BREEDS!!!!
Because it is not possible to count with the national kennel clubs and for example ENCI seems nothing wrong in registering mutts as purebreed dogs it was needed to make additional steps and protect the CzW genepool.

So NONE of these dogs and NONE of their offsprings will EVER be registered by the breed club in Slovakia (and also Czech breed club) and it will be not ALLOWED to import or breed ANY offsprings of these dogs EVEN if the nonbredd will be in 20-, 30 or 100- generation…"

End of copy

...

Best regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

I asked the Slovak Czechoslovakian Wolfdog club about the copy obowe and where they stand officially in this matter in 2009 and got this answer…

"The dogs you mentioned are banned officially, but not mentioned by name -
the official ban says that dogs, whose paretnage is not known precisely up
to the year 1989 (when the breed was officially recognized) is not
considered CSV and therefore cannot be used in breeding."
/ Slovak Czechoslovakian Wolfdog club.


I also show the copy above and asked the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Check breeders club of there opinion and got this answer…

"Dogs with unclear origin are not used for breeding in the Czech Republic of course. We are closely connected with Slovak breeders club and we cooperate. We are ready to cooperate with other breeders clubs..."
/ Check breeders club

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Best regards / Mikael

[Gypsy Wolf]

So it's 7-8 years later - what happened to the dogs? Did they reproduce? Are any of the offspring registered legally or illegally?
Is there a chance of these mutara dogs getting into our bloodlines?

[Mikael]

I´m no Mutara expert but I can try to answer as good as I can

So it's 7-8 years later - what happened to the dogs?

You can find them in the database.
Lupina did pass away in 2008.

Did they reproduce?

Yes

Are any of the offspring registered legally or illegally?

Yes

Is there a chance of these mutara dogs getting into our bloodlines?

Yes, but as (we) know ho they are I think the Mutara lines will not live on...

Best regards / Mikael