Crying Wolf: litter of sterilized female?

[martiou07]

Hello, Jasmine, if you could explain me, I do not include/understand all

how made you to have pups with a female sterilized ???

Originally Posted by jasmine

Such as I have castrated females as they are out of breeding(Hannah E.S, Briza C.W)......

I am not very good in English, but it seems me to make a correct translation

http://www.cryingwolf.hu/ : 01/11/2010 : 4 pups of Hannah and Whisper

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by martiou07

Hello, Jasmine, if you could explain me, I do not include/understand all

how made you to have pups with a female sterilized ???

Now, that is what I call a good question

Best regards / Mikael

[lupis]

Originally Posted by martiou07

Hello, Jasmine, if you could explain me, I do not include/understand all

how made you to have pups with a female sterilized ???

Normal lie for Crying Wolf. I have question to administrator how long make advertisement for this puppy mill. She make fake litter, use too old dogs, sell old and young dogs like things. All she write is lie, lie. Why you put Edith litter on wolfdog? it is site for wolfdog lover and not producer.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by jasmine

When I plan a litter with my females I always see the condition and the health status of my females, Arys was checked before the mateing, make test for her kindey and liver function and ultrasonic about her utherus, she was checked every week during the pregnancy by my vet.

I have new question - i meet person who told me he reserve puppy od arys from litter this year. What you say for breed with almost 11 year old female. Another lie about good condition? You write empty slogans about loving your dogs. You have no idea what is love for dogs. When you will give peace to this female - when she can finally rest? Or she must die to get rid of you?

[CDaniela]

lupis
I read the forum and looking for your questions (for Edit). I think that your hatred is huge - great.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by CDaniela

I read the forum and looking for your questions (for Edit). I think that your hatred is huge - great.

In Italia people say you are good breeder but i not agree now. No good breeder say is no problem if breeder use very much old bitch for breeding. or ill dogs.
you say is normal if breeder lie that female is castrated but later write of page she have puppies of this bitch. it is fake litter - who is mother? because castrated bitch can not have puppies.
it is no problem for you? when breder cheat and write lies?

I see you cooperate with jasmine - bad for you to protect some handling of breeders. no responsible breeder will protect liars.

[CDaniela]

Originally Posted by lupis

In Italia people say you are good breeder but i not agree now. No good breeder say is no problem if breeder use very much old bitch for breeding. or ill dogs.
you say is normal if breeder lie that female is castrated but later write of page she have puppies of this bitch. it is fake litter - who is mother? because castrated bitch can not have puppies.
it is no problem for you? when breder cheat and write lies?

I see you cooperate with jasmine - bad for you to protect some handling of breeders. no responsible breeder will protect liars.

You don´t know me ... I don´t know you ... And what do you think of me? ... That's your problem.
I do not like gossip.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by CDaniela

You don´t know me ... I don´t know you ... And what do you think of me? ... That's your problem.
I do not like gossip.

gossip? jasmine write female is castrated. Now jasmine write female has puppies for sale. is not gossip but fact.

if you say it is ok is your problem. I not know you but your words is not of responsible breeder because normal breeder do not protect lie.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by lupis

I have new question - i meet person who told me he reserve puppy od arys from litter this year. What you say for breed with almost 11 year old female. Another lie about good condition? You write empty slogans about loving your dogs. You have no idea what is love for dogs. When you will give peace to this female - when she can finally rest? Or she must die to get rid of you?

this is very harsh mail, and i see that people do agree with you and of coarse i am totalt against breeding abuse of any dog but especialy the csw as they are my love, i mentioned in mail about the breeding abuse of AMBRA VLEINADIJE of an Italain kennel and some people who write on this thread more or less told me to mind my own biusness, i ended up getting banned from wolfdog.org. so just to re cap.. Ambra was born 20th dec 1998, she had her first litter on 23 dec 1999, so she was 1 yr 3 days old,,,2nd litter was 27th nov 2000 then 4th oct 2001, 25th april 2003, 26th aug 04, 18th apr 05, 4th jun 06, 28th jan 07, 15th nov 07, and finally produced 1 pup from last mating 10th may 09 in her 11th year, so in total 10 litters in 11 years and in some cases 2 litters in same year,this is total barbaric and complete abuse of an animal, so do any of you now 1 year later from i first pointed this out agree or am i going to get told to mind my own biusness again, i did report this to animal rights and sent letter to FCI, now i am doing article for magazine on abusive breeding in dogs, this bitch will be mentioned as will others in europe and uk. it would please me if mikael did not put any comments up on this as he ignored it last time and just likes to get his mail up every thread but wants only to comment and take no action..

[jasmine]

ahhh I'm so jelous my dear friend, that you have no better things to do just deal with me!
And I will make a statistic...that it always happens when some other breeders couldn't sale theire pups....

Hannah Eden Severu is not castrated....some others dog which are retaired yes, she was not...just was put retaired as she has no pups in the last years. She was examined and the specialist sad she is abortive. She is together with Whisper for ages....but this year she became pregnant. Both parrents are available for DNS test...so guys, if you have any doubt, just come !!!!!

Arys: I'm just wondering who sad that she will have more litters???? As I'm not planning more litters from her....and of course nobody reserved any pup from her...but from Erys yes...EEEEEEErys..not from AAAArys...this is two different dogs!!!!
And Arys was shown in Nitra.....so ask about her condition those who saw her .

Paul, no worth to answer this nice team....when I do something it is wrong...when others do...it is no problem......as I see there are some other kennels with 3-4 litters, from 8-9 years old females.....
so that's about the objectivity.............


Have a nice day


Edit

[jasmine]

just to Mikael: the litter was removed from my site, because all the 4 pups are already reserved.
And I have to tell the truth...I'm realy happy because of this litter...as Hannah is a very nice female with a very good bloodline...and as I'm a breeder I bought her for breeding...but as you see she is still with us though she had just 2 pups till now....

[Margo]

Originally Posted by jasmine

Arys: I'm just wondering who sad that she will have more litters???? As I'm not planning more litters from her....and of course nobody reserved any pup from her...but from Erys yes...EEEEEEErys..not from AAAArys...this is two different dogs!!!!
And Arys was shown in Nitra.....so ask about her condition those who saw her .

I'm sorry Edith but you can call me "envy" and "jealous" but I also heard that you planned to breed Arys this year. I get this information from a is Spanish breeder who knows exactly the difference between ARYS and ERYS. Especialy that I asked twice if it is right and you plan to breed her again...

PS. I saw Arys in Bratislava and ... she was looking very old. Much older than other females of the same age which were shown there.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Margo

I'm sorry Edith but you can call me "envy" and "jealous" but I also heard that you planned to breed Arys this year. I get this information from a is Spanish breeder who knows exactly the difference between ARYS and ERYS. Especialy that I asked twice if it is right and you plan to breed her again...

PS. I saw Arys in Nitra and ... she was looking very old. Much older than other females of the same age which were shown there.

i mentioned in mail about the breeding abuse of AMBRA VLEINADIJE of an Italain kennel and some people who write on this thread more or less told me to mind my own biusness, so now while you are on line Margo why no replies to this information its on this web site for all to see, not one comment from all you good people for this is abusive breeding of an animal and a csw your breed, so just to re cap.. Ambra was born 20th dec 1998, she had her first litter on 23 dec 1999, so she was 1 yr 3 days old,,,2nd litter was 27th nov 2000 then 4th oct 2001, 25th april 2003, 26th aug 04, 18th apr 05, 4th jun 06, 28th jan 07, 15th nov 07, and finally produced 1 pup from last mating 10th may 09 in her 11th year, so in total 10 litters in 11 years and in some cases 2 litters in same year,this is total barbaric and complete abuse of an animal, this thread is about breeding so this mail is not out of order and it deserves a reply from all csw lovers or is it again to be ignored by all, or has the owner of this bitch got something on you all and you are all afraid to voice your oppinion on it, if this where mentioned on any other dog forum the people would be up in arms over such ridiculous and bloody minded breeding practice,

[jasmine]

Margo,

Maybe you and Lupis know more than me.....
so now I have an italian and also a spanish client for the next Arys litter.........(???? )
Believe me , she is in good condition....but won't be more litter from her !
and I don't remeber that you was in Nitra last Friday...and she was the only one veteran female...... so it is a little bit strange what you wrote here.............

Edit

[CDaniela]

Edit, you are star, you have pregnant castrated females!

[martiou07]

hello Jasmine,

thanks for your answers, but normally , you say, Hannah is sterilized ...

is nevertheless odd of your share to contradict you...

For Myla, Hanninadina, , there is the brother in France , Merlin, I don't like this dog, but ,not doubt, is a CSW.

[jasmine]

as I wrote..it was my mistake...I wanted to write....some are castrated (retaired dogs.....)
But no problem, if somebody would have any doubt are welcome for a DNS test !

And as I wrote I'm realy jelous...I would be happy if I would have so much freetime to see other breeders websites and search back other breeders comments...
And I'm so jelous that you have no biggest problem just dealing with me.
You all three (Mikael. Martiou and Lupis) are so lucky!!!!


Edit

[martiou07]

Edith, I want to believe you well, nevertheless recognize there was what this to put questions…. You know, I look at your site, yes, like much others , sorry I like the CSW , I am not in favour of your various marriages, nevertheless, the marriages which you currently made with Arys I find them interesting, like Arys and Hitt…all that to say to you that I do not seek either with always carrying discredit upon your breeding.

finally, as I said to you, thank you to have taken time to answer me…

[martiou07]

Originally Posted by martiou07

Hello, Jasmine, if you could explain me, I do not include/understand all

how made you to have pups with a female sterilized ???



I am not very good in English, but it seems me to make a correct translation

http://www.cryingwolf.hu/ : 01/11/2010 : 4 pups of Hannah and Whisper

hello,

I thought of having an answer, and finally the range disappeared ........

[hanninadina]

You made me curious, Lupis. Please can you tell us when was the date of originally post from Edit, that Hannah Eden Sveru is neutered (castrated)? And when was the advertisement, that Hannah got 4 pups?

Thanks.

Christian