CSV červené barvy (Saarloos crosses by Crying wolf)

elf · 30-05-2011, 19:56

Jeden francouzský šlechtitel překvapení vidět červenou (barva Saarloos podobně) štěňata ve vrhu Thalia Crying Wolf x Sibir Crying Wolf.

Někdy stalo, že jakékoli jiné chovatele?

One french breeder had the surprise to see red (Saarloos color alike) puppies in the litter Thalia Crying Wolf x Sibir Crying Wolf.

Ever happened to any other breeders ?

Dayen · 30-05-2011, 20:34

Co myslíš tou "červenou barvou"? Hnědý pigment, nebo něco jiného?
Chtělo by to trochu podrobnější informace, pokud chceš zakládat takovou diskuzi.

What do you mean by "red"? The brown pigmentation or what?
It would be better to be more specific when you start such a discussion...

elf · 30-05-2011, 21:29

červené barvy, které vidíte na plemeni Saarloos. Zde je obrázek z jednoho psa z tohoto vrhu:

admin · 31-05-2011, 15:16

There is a suspicion that the dog Galiba Crying Wolf can be a Saarloos mix.

You can see one example on the photo. But there are also problems with this line in other kennels in France (for example the "famous" "mixes" by "de la Louve Blanche" so much criticized by other breeders). There are many puppies born from this line which have many characteristics of Saarloos Wolfhounds (red or almost solid black colour, bi-coloured masks, different development as puppies (HUGE "hanging" ears, fluffy heads).

After the red puppies were born the French breeder asked Edith Molnar to make the DNA test - she was even prepared to come to Hungary and to pay all the costs but without any serious reason the Crying Wolf breeder didn't agreed with it.

If you have any offsprings of Galiba in your country please please take them under investigation.

For more info please read the topic on the French forum:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...1500&langid=15

admin · 31-05-2011, 15:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by elf

červené barvy, které vidíte na plemeni Saarloos. Zde je obrázek z jednoho psa z tohoto vrhu:

What is the name of this dogs?

elf · 31-05-2011, 15:41

chovatel řekl, že je Sibir a jeden z jeho potomků.

leila · 31-05-2011, 15:58

Preklad:
Je podozrenie, že Galiba CW je saarloos mix.
Na obrázku môžete vidieť jeden príklad. Ale sú aj problémy s touto líniou v iných chov.stnaiciach (napr. "známe" mixy od "de la Louve Blanche", ktoré boli tak kritizované ostatnými chovateľmi). Je mnoho štneiatok narodených z tejto línie a ktoré majú veľa charakteristík Saarloosov (červená alebo úplne čierna farba, dvojfarebná maska, veľký rozdiel vo vývoji šteniatok - veľké ovisnuté uši, neforemné hlavy).

Po narodení červených šteniatok sa opýtal francúzsky chovateľ Edit Molnár, aby spravila testy DNA - bola pripravený prísť do Maďarska a zaplatiť všetky poplatky za testy, ale bez udania vážneho dôvodu nesúhlasila chovateľka CW s tým.

Je tu veľa odchovov po Galibovi CW vo vašej krajine, prosím, držte ich pod "dohľadom".

Viac info na francúzskom fóre:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...1500&langid=15

admin · 31-05-2011, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by elf

chovatel řekl, že je Sibir a jeden z jeho potomků.

OK, I already received a message. It is Sibir Crying Wolf x Thalia Crying Wolf.

The DNA test was done and it is 100% sure that parents of this red dog are Sibir and Thalia.

admin · 14-06-2011, 13:27

After several emails I received last time and taking into consideration the behavioral of the mentioned breeder and her lack of any will to cooperation by clearing this case I must suggest that we have here to do not with an mutation but with intentional mixes.

I received information that by Crying Wolf appeared two litters which show many characteristics typical for Saarloos + overgrown sizes. It is strange that nobody was suprised (even in the origin countries) that by kennel where dogs hardly reach the minimum size unexpectedly appeared litters where females are even bigger than the Czech lines - usually about 68cm. A MIRACLE? Only children can believe it it.

Examples:
females with 68cm:

and typical weak Saarloos expresion

It seems that "affected" are not only suggested litters of T-Crying wolf and S-Crying Wolf but also V-Crying Wolf and Y-Crying Wolf. And their offsprings (due to the fact of a large number of untypical faults appearing by them).

We ask for help to clear this problem. The breeder do not want to cooperate (no wonder if she knews what she is doing). The Hungarian Kennel is also not a big help: it was already proven by the problems with export pedigrees and another issues connected with Crying Wolf kennel.

We ask for help the Slovak club as some of the suspicious animals are living also there and there was at last one litter of one the the "Saarloos-alike" females.
It would be ridiculous if in some years the Slovakian population will consist of Saarloos-CsW-mixes.
You have the possibility to test the parentage of the mentioned animals as at last one Y-female is living in Slovakia. In Slovakia you have Issar Kollarov dvor and in Germany still lives Falco Crying Wolf. It is easy to test if the Y-female is connected with these both dogs.

30-05-2011, 19:56	#1
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	CSV červené barvy (Saarloos crosses by Crying wolf) Jeden francouzský šlechtitel překvapení vidět červenou (barva Saarloos podobně) štěňata ve vrhu Thalia Crying Wolf x Sibir Crying Wolf. Někdy stalo, že jakékoli jiné chovatele? One french breeder had the surprise to see red (Saarloos color alike) puppies in the litter Thalia Crying Wolf x Sibir Crying Wolf. Ever happened to any other breeders ? __________________ http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...m/csvstat.html

30-05-2011, 20:34	#2
Dayen Not so Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brno Posts: 202	Co myslíš tou "červenou barvou"? Hnědý pigment, nebo něco jiného? Chtělo by to trochu podrobnější informace, pokud chceš zakládat takovou diskuzi. What do you mean by "red"? The brown pigmentation or what? It would be better to be more specific when you start such a discussion... __________________ In wildness is the preservation of the world... So seek the wolf in thyself www.wolfdog.name

30-05-2011, 21:29	#3
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	červené barvy, které vidíte na plemeni Saarloos. Zde je obrázek z jednoho psa z tohoto vrhu: __________________ http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...m/csvstat.html

31-05-2011, 15:41	#6
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	chovatel řekl, že je Sibir a jeden z jeho potomků. __________________ http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...m/csvstat.html

31-05-2011, 15:58	#7
leila http://www.tobrok.sk Join Date: May 2006 Location: Nitra - Mojmírovce, Slovakia Posts: 550	Preklad: Je podozrenie, že Galiba CW je saarloos mix. Na obrázku môžete vidieť jeden príklad. Ale sú aj problémy s touto líniou v iných chov.stnaiciach (napr. "známe" mixy od "de la Louve Blanche", ktoré boli tak kritizované ostatnými chovateľmi). Je mnoho štneiatok narodených z tejto línie a ktoré majú veľa charakteristík Saarloosov (červená alebo úplne čierna farba, dvojfarebná maska, veľký rozdiel vo vývoji šteniatok - veľké ovisnuté uši, neforemné hlavy). Po narodení červených šteniatok sa opýtal francúzsky chovateľ Edit Molnár, aby spravila testy DNA - bola pripravený prísť do Maďarska a zaplatiť všetky poplatky za testy, ale bez udania vážneho dôvodu nesúhlasila chovateľka CW s tým. Je tu veľa odchovov po Galibovi CW vo vašej krajine, prosím, držte ich pod "dohľadom". Viac info na francúzskom fóre: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...1500&langid=15 __________________ www.tobrok.sk

31-05-2011, 15:16	#4
admin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 583	There is a suspicion that the dog Galiba Crying Wolf can be a Saarloos mix. You can see one example on the photo. But there are also problems with this line in other kennels in France (for example the "famous" "mixes" by "de la Louve Blanche" so much criticized by other breeders). There are many puppies born from this line which have many characteristics of Saarloos Wolfhounds (red or almost solid black colour, bi-coloured masks, different development as puppies (HUGE "hanging" ears, fluffy heads). After the red puppies were born the French breeder asked Edith Molnar to make the DNA test - she was even prepared to come to Hungary and to pay all the costs but without any serious reason the Crying Wolf breeder didn't agreed with it. If you have any offsprings of Galiba in your country please please take them under investigation. For more info please read the topic on the French forum: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...1500&langid=15

14-06-2011, 13:27	#9
admin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 583	After several emails I received last time and taking into consideration the behavioral of the mentioned breeder and her lack of any will to cooperation by clearing this case I must suggest that we have here to do not with an mutation but with intentional mixes. I received information that by Crying Wolf appeared two litters which show many characteristics typical for Saarloos + overgrown sizes. It is strange that nobody was suprised (even in the origin countries) that by kennel where dogs hardly reach the minimum size unexpectedly appeared litters where females are even bigger than the Czech lines - usually about 68cm. A MIRACLE? Only children can believe it it. Examples: females with 68cm: and typical weak Saarloos expresion It seems that "affected" are not only suggested litters of T-Crying wolf and S-Crying Wolf but also V-Crying Wolf and Y-Crying Wolf. And their offsprings (due to the fact of a large number of untypical faults appearing by them). We ask for help to clear this problem. The breeder do not want to cooperate (no wonder if she knews what she is doing). The Hungarian Kennel is also not a big help: it was already proven by the problems with export pedigrees and another issues connected with Crying Wolf kennel. We ask for help the Slovak club as some of the suspicious animals are living also there and there was at last one litter of one the the "Saarloos-alike" females. It would be ridiculous if in some years the Slovakian population will consist of Saarloos-CsW-mixes. You have the possibility to test the parentage of the mentioned animals as at last one Y-female is living in Slovakia. In Slovakia you have Issar Kollarov dvor and in Germany still lives Falco Crying Wolf. It is easy to test if the Y-female is connected with these both dogs.