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Cluby & nařízení Informace o klubech pro ČSV v jiných zemích, nařízení týkající se ČSV a omezení britského Kennel Clubu... |
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Dobrý den, obracím se na české chovatele, kteří prodali své štěně do Anglie s prosbou. Angličani chtějí u nich naše plemeno zaregistrovat a legalizovat. (Zatím nemůžou např. chodit na anglické výstavy). Potřebují k tomu sehnat ještě několik majitelů čsv. Můžete prosím majitelům svých "anglických" štěňat předat kontakt na admina těchto stránek, aby se s ním spojili? O to samé prosím samozřejmě i slováky.
http://csvclubofgb.forumotion.co.uk/forum Děkuji |
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If you want to support the PUREBREED breeders and owners in UK who are against crosses please contact these people: http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ |
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Myslím, že jste se nechali vtáhnout do boje několika skupin majitelů ČsV v UK
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Hi Pavel, Shadowland quoted the wrong reply, she makes part of the www.vlcak.co.uk and suport them.
The http://csvclubofgb.forumotion.co.uk/forum are with Happy Feet & co, which are in contact with Paul Winder and OrkWolf, people who breed mixes in UK.
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These people dont care about the breed, lines or quality, they only wants to have purebreed CzW because it will sell easily in their new market.
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Takže pro ty, kteří chtějí podpořit ČsV v UK :
www.vlcak.co.uk - skupinka majitelů, kteří chtějí chovat čistokrevné ČsV a snaží se o jejich uznání v UK. http://csvclubofgb.forumotion.co.uk/forum - diskuzní skupina, u které je těžko identifikovat, komu patří. Ale podle sdělení chovatelů v UK je napojena např. na chovatele Collinse, o kterém je info v tomto fóru http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21402 |
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I have one more question from one of the UK-owners who want to stay anonymous:
One of the Czech breeders advertising herself as representative of the Czech Breed Club is supporting the breeders of the mixes in UK. It is true that you, Hanka sold the puppy to orkwolf? And thank to this you was made the administrator/moderator of the "club" consisted of the breeders of the mixes? |
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Ať se dívám, jak se dívám na stránkách nevidím moderátora Hanka, ale Brita1 s fotkou vlčice Brity a ty články tam taky nevidím, ale to bude proto, že nejsem registrovaná.
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Zajímavé je. že na inzerát zveřejněný jinde admin reaguje, ale když chci zadat inzerát tady, tak to nejde od prosince!
A ještě otázka, jak víte , že Hanka podporuje křížence? To hraničí s pomluvou! Last edited by RadeKKK; 21-02-2012 at 13:31. |
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http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21402 And here one of his advertisings: http://www.k9puppy.co.uk/PuppiesforS...herd18149.aspx "...Mother 3/4 CSV, Father Pure Czech Wolf..." |
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Jiřko, kašli na ně....To nemá cenu. Jak ty stránky začaly fungovat, tak se tam hned hrnuly zaregistrovat. A když je admin vykmitnul, protože z toho nechce mít místo pomluv, tak to je najednou "špatná stránka"....
Vždyť je to pořád dokola.... |
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Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain has been an established group since 2011
We thank ‘wolf dog.org’ for giving the club chance to reply to the remarks made here. We would like to inform readers that this tread on Wolfdog.org is one sided and only the opinion from members of the other group. The members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ are in the main non owners of newly imported dogs for example Shadowlands , Rona and others are all breeders / wolf dog org moderators / admins. The founders of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ ;- Patryk [Hedeon], Layla[Tupacs2legs] , Hannah Crook [Tassle] , Chris Hind [Pixie] own non FCI and mixed dogs bought from UK Breeders such as Mr Winder/ Mr Collins’orkwolf’ /Andre Tanner/Lee Church and many other members don’t own any Czechoslovakian wolf dogs and have no experience of them. This group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ is a secret group and not open to all. We wonder why is this? and as far as our Club is concerned this group has no credibility . If said members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ insist they are promoting the breed why would they not include all known new dogs to the UK, is this not bias ? Surely it would be a benefit to this group to include all newly imported dogs? Wouldn’t it of been more beneficial to unite than to slander and mis inform readers. Does this not make the group http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ look stupid and extremely unprofessional? Czechoslovakian Wolfdog Club of Great Britain was formed by new owners of FCI registered / imported dogs and members interested in owning the breed in the future, Our Club is not managed/run/linked or owned by any established breeder in the UK. The Club aims are to unite and then pursue Kennel Club Registration of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs The Club also aims to: Promote the interests, welfare and responsible ownership of the Czechoslovakian Wolfdog in the United Kingdom, bring together owners and future breeders and facilitate the exchange of views and information on all subjects appertaining to the breed. Keep a register of all litters eligible for registration until such time as the breed is recognised by the UK Kennel Club. Keep accurate records of all health problems and temperament issues in the breed. In addition to keeping a register of imported FCI registered Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs, necessary to obtain KC recognition, the Club is also keeping a register of UK bred dogs that will be eligible for KC registration once the breed has been recognised. Our Club has a agreed Constitution and Code of Ethics and the Committee grows stronger every day. We as a Club have more important roles to play in promoting pure breeding and development of Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs in the UK. We have no time or desire to troll the internet and discredit other groups on forums and social networks. Not like some members of http://www.vlcak.co.uk/ and wolf dog.org who purport themselves as guardians of the breed that troll the internet causing friction and have done zero to promote the breed only within secret societies, resulting only to discredit themselves as guardians. Surely Admin and Moderators of this site should be clearer on facts before exasperating such a thread and misrepresenting our Club. Wouldn’t it be more prudent for the wolf dog.org admin on this tread to give a unbias reply? We hope this corrects the misrepresentation of our Club and of course welcome support from all members. |
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I'm not a breeder of CSVs, nor of any other breed. I have never been a breeder and don't intend to be one. I know some find it hard to belive that somebody might act and devote time and efforts without a direct commercial interest/purpose in mind, but this is not my problem. ![]() Neither am I Admin or moderator of wolfdog.org or any other site. No time, no skills... ![]() ![]() |
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I have no interest in breeding these dogs - I am an admirer who has seen the damage done by people who wish only to make money from them. I am a 'non-owner' - but I care for the breed.
I would love to see these dogs registered in this country and bred with a desire to protect and further the breed, and not use them purely for financial and/or personal cross-breeding goals. For the record - I have attempted to join the forum set up by your group and been banned before I have even had a chance to post an introduction and although I have attempted to contact the Admin, I have been given no response. |
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Exactly Rona
I don't own a Csv, I plan to one day, and when I feel ready to bring one into my life, I'd like the breed to be in a better state in the UK than it is now. The Csv and saarloos have been as a breed abused, misused by those who should've been their guardians here. My next dog will be an estrela mountain dog, when I look at those within that and other uncommon breeds in the UK, I see passion and a true love and dedication for the breed...then I look at whats happening with the Csv and it saddens me. To many times have I had the keyboard warrior label thrown at me. To many times I've been told, it's easy to sit behind a computer and judge, why don't you do something about it...well, now i am. But it appears taking action to some, is equally unpopular. But you no what? That's just to bad, because I'm going to be here, supporting the breed and those who want to do it right, wether some like it or not, wether I own a Csv or not, I'll help anyway I can. So get used to it. Taz
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I would like to respond, if you excuse me my english... Hope I will be able to post it.
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Now about our closed group on Facebook. This group was created mostly for purposes of discussion, regarding matters of stopping unethical breeding, preventing puppy millers (Ork wolf in this case) from causing more damage to the dogs, and breed in this country. For obvious reasons it cold not be public, as we didn't wanted these breeders to access these discussions. Yes, it meant to be a seed of Club as well but we didn't rushed with it, as for this moment there is very little FCI registered dogs in UK (some are owned by Ork Wolf but, we are strongly against his way of breeding). In fact, first official sign on creation of the club is here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21839 where we would like to invite every one to join. Quote:
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![]() Unite would be a great thing. But... If I am well told co founders of your group are people like Paul Collins, Hanka, and Sansorella. Two of them are people responsible for destroying this breed in UK. Their actions caused UK to be banned from exporting to. For many years they have cross breed, no even thinking about recognition with UK Kennel Club. There was no need. It was nearly impossible to import puppies from Europe, so they could do whatever they wanted. Registration with Kennel Club would only put restrictions and regulations on them, so why to do it if puppy business is going so well? Recent change in DEFRA law (Department for Environment, Food And Rural Affairs) makes now importing dogs from Europe much, much easier. Now, all these cross breeders have to compete with European breeders. That is no good for business... And these European breed dogs have something UK breed dogs have not - pedigrees. So now change of mind, and they going for recognition - hence, your club. Quote:
![]() ![]() ![]() In conclusion - I would be very happy to team up with your club, only if I could see it being right. Without Hanka, ork wolf, sansorella , and others UK cross breeders, and puppy millers. Those breeders should never get registered with Kennel Club as breeders. Excluded form development of this breed in this country. But it will never happen, isn't it? |
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I would like to respond, if you excuse me my english... Hope I will be able to post it.
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Now about our closed group on Facebook. This group was created mostly for purposes of discussion, regarding matters of stopping unethical breeding, preventing puppy millers (Ork wolf in this case) from causing more damage to the dogs, and breed in this country. For obvious reasons it cold not be public, as we didn't wanted these breeders to access these discussions. Yes, it meant to be a seed of Club as well but we didn't rushed with it, as for this moment there is very little FCI registered dogs in UK (some are owned by Ork Wolf but, we are strongly against his way of breeding). In fact, first official sign on creation of the club is here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21839 where we would like to invite every one to join. Quote:
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![]() Unite would be a great thing. But... If I am well told co founders of your group are people like Paul Collins, Hanka, and Sansorella. Two of them are people responsible for destroying this breed in UK. Their actions caused UK to be banned from exporting to. For many years they have cross breed, no even thinking about recognition with UK Kennel Club. There was no need. It was nearly impossible to import puppies from Europe, so they could do whatever they wanted. Registration with Kennel Club would only put restrictions and regulations on them, so why to do it if puppy business is going so well? Recent change in DEFRA law (Department for Environment, Food And Rural Affairs) makes now importing dogs from Europe much, much easier. Now, all these cross breeders have to compete with European breeders. That is no good for business... And these European breed dogs have something UK breed dogs have not - pedigrees. So now change of mind, and they going for recognition - hence, your club. Quote:
![]() ![]() ![]() In conclusion - I would be very happy to team up with your club, only if I could see it being right. Without Hanka, ork wolf, sansorella , and others UK cross breeders, and puppy millers. Those breeders should never get registered with Kennel Club as breeders. Excluded form development of this breed in this country. But it will never happen, isn't it???? |
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