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29-10-2008, 16:22 | #1 |
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"List" of typical csv cross defect?
Another growing problem is csv cross breed raising number, meanwhile DNA check, what would be a "list" of typical csv cross defect ? a data base of pictures of crossed csv ? My dog is crossed (yes I know I'm a bad guy), I showed her at two french judges which belived she was pure breed (even with the ears... but I also saw "strange" ears in pure csv). Here are some pics for experts, could you made the error as these two judges did ? (try to forget she is crossed while looking for defect)
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...4&postcount=14 http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...2&postcount=16 http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...3&postcount=17 http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...3&postcount=22 |
29-10-2008, 16:41 | #2 | |
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Dark eyes, rouder ears of black mask is still pretty common problem. What is easier to see are dogs which are crosses with Nordic breeds (like huskies), Saarloos or American Wolves because the masks are different than by typical CzW. Such crosses have "oculars" (typical for huskies, not known by CzW) and also the mask is only on the top of the nose - this cross is the best example: Similar results you get while crossing CzW and Saarlos. When you cross CzW with Husky the dogs look in many cases similar but have smaller ears... |
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29-10-2008, 17:07 | #3 |
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Well... it makes things really difficult for the future because in France we have more and more crosses that can become "real" csv with the "titre initial".
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30-10-2008, 11:18 | #4 |
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You are not bad guy for giving a dog a home. You may be a not much responsible guy if you produce cross litter and you really are a bad guy if you produce a cross litter and falsify their papers to proclaim them as pure blood... So which one are you? ;o)
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FUJ Saschia
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30-10-2008, 13:12 | #6 |
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01-11-2008, 15:47 | #8 |
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Well, then I guess than that you are just a guy, not irresponsible nor bad... Who either speaks russian or uses online translators
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And fore us ho do not know russian, Угадай means Guess
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08-12-2008, 01:09 | #12 | |
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Paul, I've asked you before, and now again - who are the CSVs in the UK that you know of, where are they, and who owns them? Have some of the UK CSVs come to the US? Marcy |
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08-12-2008, 12:55 | #13 |
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Only DNA test help for You in UK and USA.
who speak breeder... not all thime be true. And if I mas buy pupps from UK, only with DNA test. (like and in others countrys ) |
08-12-2008, 13:48 | #14 |
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I would add that I would be very careful of the blood taken policies as there are laboratories that accept blood samples taken by the breeder. You need to have an official vet involved who will check dogs identification.
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08-12-2008, 14:06 | #15 |
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Another existing problem: incompatibility between laboratories from different countries which don't use same markers.
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08-12-2008, 14:18 | #16 |
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Yes, but we cann make this in this same laboratorium.
when we mas make DNA in Lithua, we send all info and blood to Germany laboratorium, and if we cann send in this laboratorium, I think all test we cann make in one laboratorium or have list, who have this same markers, and send in this. |
09-12-2008, 01:51 | #17 | |
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This is the reason I try to know as much about the dogs in the US and Canada as I can. I want to know about the dogs in the UK too, because many Americans look to the UK next as a place to import CSVs from - not because of the quality of dogs, or any other good reason, but mainly because they are scared of the language barrier, and don't realize that many people outside of the UK in Europe also speak perfectly good English... All the best, Marcy |
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09-12-2008, 01:57 | #18 |
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hmmm, if people have problem with language.... and... only this problem to import CSW... I scare, who wolfdog be in US?
but I think (sorry if not be ) problem in people mentalitet, I be from Lithua, me first bitch be from Czech Republik- we speak in misling language- one word english 2 rusish, other polish, next maybe with dictionary i wright czech, but - we not see in this problem, now I have friend in all Europa and Amerika, and we speak we cann, all language who know be good to dogs owners speak, only You mass WISH . sorry from OT. |
09-12-2008, 03:08 | #19 |
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Well... perfectly good english maybe not, its something that almost only who live in the country will be able to do.. and even that not all people.
look here, I think you're the only one wich write english perfectly, and we all are understanding each other. If someone try to talk with me by fone in english I will try do my best possible for we understand each other, wouldn't be a perfect english, but something possible to understand I know that a have some breeders even in origin country talk and write in english good enough to be possible understand.. something Is they care for quality surelly the lenguage may not be a true barrier.
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It's those "other" Americans looking for convenience, and those that don't do good research, and do what seems safe or easy, but have plenty of money to spend, that scare me - usually no good breeder would sell to these people, unless they made a mistake, or were lied to. But a crossbreeder (unfortunately there are several in the UK) hungry for money, with no care... I get emails from Americans all the time - people that are scared of foreign language, and looking for a CSV. I use the "opportunity" to teach them a lesson on what to look for in a good breeder, and how owning a CSV is not "easy" or a decision made quickly. And, for those people that seem good and serious and knowledgeable, and are thinking about importing, I assure them language is no problem. |
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