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Old 21-09-2011, 19:43   #181
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Actually to be fair, I have NEVER ever spoken to Mr Winder other than to respectfully send condolences for the loss of his wolf Kizzy. I certainly have NEVER EVER spoken to him about buying a dog, he is absolutely the last person I would go to.

I was told he would not sell me one and that he would make sure I would never have one, well sorry Mr Winder but I can get a UK bred pure CsV just about any time I want, I was told this story by another breeder who I bought my dogs from. Politics? However I want something new and off my own back not off the back of another breeder in the UK.
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didnt realise kizzy had died tho
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Old 21-09-2011, 20:09   #182
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neither have i

didnt realise kizzy had died tho


Sadly she died whelping Csv/wolf F1 pups, about 6 months ago?
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Old 21-09-2011, 20:28   #183
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I think meeting up is a very good idea. Would I Invite every one? No.

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Old 21-09-2011, 22:50   #184
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If anyone is interested in getting round that table and taking the breed forward in Britain, i suggest we meet up somewhere in Britain form an official British club and start to organise a stratedgy to get these dogs recognised. We could organise trips to the european events and try to get european CSV comunity to start to trust in Britain again, a long journey i know but it gets shorter once its started. Message me tell me where you would like to meet and lets get started.
I'm more than willing to help divise a strategy for the csv in the uk. After all, if I'm going to complain publicly as I do about what is wrong, than I should be prepared to put my money where my mouth is and help to make it right.

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Old 21-09-2011, 23:02   #185
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I'm more than willing to help divise a strategy for the csv in the uk. After all, if I'm going to complain publicly as I do about what is wrong, than I should be prepared to put my money where my mouth is and help to make it right.

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Old 21-09-2011, 23:53   #186
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I want 2 pure breeding bitches 15 to 20 months old to breed with. I want low hip scores & DM free.
Import a dog is not like buy carrots in the market, no good breeder would send a dog for a "breeder" who simply does not care about basic things as bloodlines even if he is his neighbor! Now imagine to another country, to a "far away" place!!!
But you're not only asking for a dog, a pup, but for tested breeding females in breeding age, are you so naive to believe any person would send you a GOOD dog in such conditions?
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Old 22-09-2011, 00:03   #187
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This is just what we need so go for it!
I will, provided people can actualy stand the thought of having to work with me lol. I doubt I'm on many people's top 10 list right now.

...And I don't even own a csv yet, I must be crazy.

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I want 2 pure breeding bitches 15 to 20 months old to breed with. I want low hip scores & DM free. CAN anyone or IS anyone prepared to help promote a new healthy pure line in the UK to a serious breeder who is determined to promote healthy dogs that are kept and bred in exceptional facilities in the UK?
it's nice to have well kept facilities but that is not the only determinate in creating well bred dogs.. ..... what about raising up the individual bitches so you know their strengths and weaknesses in character, so as to make intelligent choices in mates that'll be compatible?

and in the US the minimum age for OFFA hip scores is 24 months = 2 years old. Is the UK on another system?
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Old 22-09-2011, 08:06   #189
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REGARDING BREEDER "ORKWOLF"
I take the care of my dogs and pups seriously, I have been working alongside my animal welfare officer over the last few months to become Orkneys only licensed & regulated breeder, this should be completed by the 28th October,
Will you really get a breeder licence if you have bred mixes? Of what breed(s) breeder are you then???

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REGARDING BREEDER "ORKWOLF"
I am not the only breeder in the UK who breeds pure CsV to 3/4 cross CsV. Why am I getting slated!
I find it really humorous, that you, just like Mr Winder and his friends use the same argument over and over again... Some individuals abuse animals, but it doesn't give anybody any right to do so, does it?

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Come to my farm on the Orkney coast, stay the weekend, see my dogs, play with them, fuss them, see their two exercise areas both 2 acres big, or see our own enclosed area of beach, that we own, that they play on, see their above standard kennelling, their health records, the £1000 every three months on vets bills, the £200 I spend on meat and food every week, see that I am not making £££££ but putting everything back into the care and welfare of my pack!
To tell you the thruth I would be more interested in reading if/how you socialize and train your dogs, what do you do with them apart from letting them run in the enclosed area, play and reproduce. Provided you breed CSV you must probably be checking their working abilities (?) - do you do tracking with them or maybe obedience, defence, dogtracking or agility? Have you ever taken them to any dog schools? Have you passed any exams with them? Which training methods did you find most suitable for your CSVs? What is the temperament of your dogs? Are they friendly to strangers/children/other animals? How do they behave in the streets and public transport? Do they make you laugh? What behavioural problems do you face with them? Etc. etc.
So far, of British owners only Layla has been writing of Tupac and Tassle and happyfeet about their dogs as of family members and friends; others - as of (sorry for the expression) cattle on nice farms

Offerring animals you're responsible for decent living conditions and vet care is such basics, that I feel surprised you, just like other pup producers from the UK put so much emphasis on it. Especially, that noone has ever blamed either you or them for not caring about the animals.

BTW The breed orignated in former Czechoslovakia and thus where its name comes from, not is Slovenia, Hungary and Austria.
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My Dog is a happy family member, who is extremely well socialised, but I never shouted it, because to me that is the norm to do with any dog not just CSV, and i may be able to get hold of a function room 1 mile off junction 23 of the m6, near Haydock racecourse if people want to meet up and get started
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My Dog is a happy family member, who is extremely well socialised, but I never shouted it, because to me that is the norm to do with any dog not just CSV, and i may be able to get hold of a function room 1 mile off junction 23 of the m6, near Haydock racecourse if people want to meet up and get started
unless its near a a train station....no chance
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also...does anyone know if the 'cw' dogs here are from 'suspect' litters?
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also...does anyone know if the 'cw' dogs here are from 'suspect' litters?
does anybody anywhere know what are the suspect dogs/litters ?
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it's nice to have well kept facilities but that is not the only determinate in creating well bred dogs.. ..... what about raising up the individual bitches so you know their strengths and weaknesses in character, so as to make intelligent choices in mates that'll be compatible?

and in the US the minimum age for OFFA hip scores is 24 months = 2 years old. Is the UK on another system?
at the moment the most used is the 'bva' which allows a dog to be 'scored' at a year old(i do not see the rush,and if the bva system is used would prefer the dog to be fully grown)...personally i like the 'penn hip' method but hey lol.
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My Dog is a happy family member, who is extremely well socialised, but I never shouted it, because to me that is the norm to do with any dog not just CSV, and i may be able to get hold of a function room 1 mile off junction 23 of the m6, near Haydock racecourse if people want to meet up and get started
Is there a train station near by? If not some of us may have an issue getting there.

I will probably e able to find somewhere with convenient rail links in my area, provided those of you in the south, don't mind a trip to the epic industrial north lol.

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iv just done a quick google search for the racecourse and had a look at the closest train station, came up with this ...

http://www.haydock-park.co.uk/finding-us
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I am not sure whether we should hurry up with that meeting. First, I think, we need to consider who should be in the ‘active group’ .We will not achieve anything good, and will only discredit against KC, if this group will include mixes breeders, or owners of mongrels. I have nothing against mongrels, or their owners, but if the breed is to be recognized by the Kennel Club, it cannot be represented by them. Neither by people who have previously crossed the dogs. KC otherwise will simply LOL on us. The same is true with regard to the future of the CSV in this country. When I say breed, I mean pure breed, so for breeding should be used dog not leaving any doubts about their pedigree. This is just my opinion.

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My Dog is a happy family member, who is extremely well socialised, but I never shouted it, because to me that is the norm to do with any dog not just CSV,
I'm glad to hear it! It's not about shouting, but sharing, or rather who finds what worth sharing
It's just a pity that statistically we know least of UK vlcaks as of individuals. I've always wondered why...

Brukne, Frei, Misha, Hronec, Rasty, Raksa, Jolly, Tsijki, Jezzi, Imbus, Luna and Pollux, Marcy's, Daniela's dogs and many others are like our good acquaintences, I'm almost sure I'd recognize them if I saw them in the street. While of all Brirish CSV we only know Tupac, well maybe also a bit of Kaya. Don't you find it strange?

Even if some mix producers are not very enthusiastically received here, I'm sure the dogs would always get a warm welcome. Sad, so few UK owners feel like sharing the joy and problems of raising their vlcaks with other owners.

Maybe this is another area worth considering and a good point for starting mutual understanding and cooperation between British/continental owners and breeders?
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I am not sure whether we should hurry up with that meeting. First, I think, we need to consider who should be in the ‘active group’ .We will not achieve anything good, and will only discredit against KC, if this group will include mixes breeders, or owners of mongrels. I have nothing against mongrels, or their owners, but if the breed is to be recognized by the Kennel Club, it cannot be represented by them. Neither by people who have previously crossed the dogs. KC otherwise will simply LOL on us. The same is true with regard to the future of the CSV in this country. When I say breed, I mean pure breed, so for breeding should be used dog not leaving any doubts about their pedigree. This is just my opinion.
i agree... and its partly why i asked the 'cw' question.
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I am not sure whether we should hurry up with that meeting. First, I think, we need to consider who should be in the ‘active group’ .We will not achieve anything good, and will only discredit against KC, if this group will include mixes breeders, or owners of mongrels. I have nothing against mongrels, or their owners, but if the breed is to be recognized by the Kennel Club, it cannot be represented by them. Neither by people who have previously crossed the dogs. KC otherwise will simply LOL on us. The same is true with regard to the future of the CSV in this country. When I say breed, I mean pure breed, so for breeding should be used dog not leaving any doubts about their pedigree. This is just my opinion.


I would be willing to help in any way I could, but that rules me out.
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