Where and how can i get a CW puppy in Greece?

nicholas · 01-05-2007, 10:59

Dear all,

I live in Greece and i am looking to buy a CW puppy. Unfortunately all pet shops i have contacted told me that they cannot find me one. IS it possible for you to tell me where can i have a puppy and the proper procedure to import it to Greece?

Thank you very much in advance for your help

Best,
Nick

p.s: I am sorry if this is not the right forum to post my question but i am new here.

Koos · 01-05-2007, 12:39

Hi Nicholas.

The countries nearest by Greece are Slowakia and Czech Republique to look after a puppy.

You are new here but at the first page of Wolfdog, you see a list at the right side with expecting litters. The dates which are mentioned are the dates the puppies can go to the new homes.

Maybe you can try to contact some breeders, some of them speaking English or German.

I think this is the easiest way to get a puppy,

Many regards,

Letty

wolfin · 01-05-2007, 12:57

I have sale one puppies from Greece. and I now whe all see.
Pupps mas have rabies vactination, have export pedigree, mikrochip and flying with hes owner with aeroplane

nicholas · 01-05-2007, 15:29

wolfin you say that you have sold a puppy to Greece before?

If this is so, could you tell me the procedure and the total cost?
Do you have male puppies currently?

Thanks

wolfin · 01-05-2007, 16:16

Dear Nicholas,

i have sale one male from me in Greece. This puppies mas stay with me for 3,5 monat -in 3 monat he have rabies vactination.
Hes new owner flying in Praha (Czech Republic) and i traveling in training camp and bring hem puppies.
I will all thime see new owner in "eyes to eyes" and speak with hem in real, not only with internet or call help.

New owners have hes puppies in Praha and flying with hem in Greece. I not know who cost have this people. But about this information You cann quest Ouer flying firms

and about my puppies-You see
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/633.html
and about others puppies
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/
If You will have moore information about my kennel-please wright my PW

regards

Koos · 01-05-2007, 16:57

Hi Nicholas agian.

There is a lot of difference between air compagny's to ship living animals. Not every air compagny do this and as I said there is a lot of difference in price.

You have to infirm you before about this.

I have also shipped several times dogs around the whole world and when you can pick up your puppy by yourself it is much. much cheaper then the pup is travelling by his own.

For example: last year I had to ship 2 adult CW dogs from Holland to Spain(Malaga) I infirmed by several air compagnies and the cheapest price was about Euro 800,-- pro dog.
Then I infirmed how much it was when I travelled together with the dogs? The answer was for myself a return ticket and the single flight to Spain with the 2 dogs together ---- Euro 402,--.So you see the difference.

Wolfin spook about rabies. This is not necessairy when the pup is unter the age of 12 weeks. And by some airplane compagnies you can take it into the cabbin, because it is unter the weight of 8 - 12 kilogramms. Also the export - pedigree is mostly not available at this time.

And most of the breeders will make contact with the new owner so therefore it is better to pick your puppy up by yourself.

At this moment I can't help you because I have no puppies available and maybe we will get some at the end of this year but of course you can visit our website www.graaff-goverwelle.nl

Many greetings and good luck

Letty

wolfin · 01-05-2007, 17:01

Lety, puppies FROM EXPORT IN GREECE mas have rabies vactination. This country have this reguls.
and puppies from Lithuania in 6 weeks have export pedigree

regards

nicholas · 01-05-2007, 18:44

Unfortunately i cannot fly to any country to pick up the puppy. Besides i suppose that in nowadays globalized world there must be a way to have the dog brought into my doorstep.

The only way i can think of is to give the contacts (addresses or tel numbers) to the largest pet shop chain in Greece and have them arrange eveyrthing on my behalf.

I have already ,ailed to some breeders i found on the right hand side of the home page.

Wolfin i suppose you live in Czech Republic right? Is it possible to give your contact details to this pet shop i was talking about so they can arrange everything with you?

The reason i cannot fly right now to have the puppy is that i am getting married on the 16th of June and i am in the middle of the preparation.

wolfin · 01-05-2007, 18:53

Sorry but i living in Lithuania, and i not salle pupps from pet shop. Never in me live !!!
If You not cann flying and take puppies from me hand, i not speak about puppies sale.
Sorry but this is me reguls.
regards

Ana · 01-05-2007, 19:30

Quote:

Unfortunately i cannot fly to any country to pick up the puppy. Besides i suppose that in nowadays globalized world there must be a way to have the dog brought into my doorstep.

Nicholas, living in a globalized world has nothing to do with it!
Small puppy is not a parcel that, as you wrote, is shipped and brougt to your doorstep. I hope this is not only my oppinion.
If you want to be an owner of a particular breed, in this case a wolfdog you have to put some efford, otherwise no one will trust you.

Maybe you should wait with your decission. Especially that you're in the middle of arranging your wedding. Trust me -> taking care of a wolfdog puppy is time consuming, and you don't even have time to come to a particular country to pick up your new dog. Not to mention talking with a breeder, who is a good source of knowlege about the breed.
A few months ago we gave away all our puppies, some of the new owners came from the other european countries, but no one asked us to send the puppy via a petshop??! or anything like that.
With every single new owner I've exchange loads od e-mails and telephone calls before I actually saw the person in reality. For me it was a sign that those people are responsible and trustworthy ones. Because if you have your own puppies you want everything what best for them!
Ana

Koos · 01-05-2007, 20:07

OK Wolfin,

I didn't know that Greece had this rules and that export pedigrees are allready fixed in this age.

In Holland it takes a few month to get pedigrees and the last year there is a new way to get pedigrees earlier but it takes allways about 2 month to get them..

My appolozises,

Letty

wolfin · 01-05-2007, 20:09

Letty all is Ok.

regards

p.s. all country have hes reguls and this is Ok.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoosLetydeGraaff

OK Wolfin,

I didn't know that Greece had this rules and that export pedigrees are allready fixed in this age.

In Holland it takes a few month to get pedigrees and the last year there is a new way to get pedigrees earlier but it takes allways about 2 month to get them..

My appolozises,

Letty

Koos · 01-05-2007, 20:17

Nicholas,

If your are in your preporation for your wedding, do you have time enough to raise up a CW puppy, which takes alllll the time you have??? There will be no time left for the rest of preporation of your wedding.

the second question is, is your fiancee agree with your decision to have a CW. Do you and you fiancee know enough to raise up a puppy and at least a CW puppy to a good and stable dog.

I don't nothing about you and your coming family but maybe you and your wife are working most days of the week. Where is your puppy then??? At home, in a kennel alone or can you take it with you.

At least there is my suggestion, go on your honeymoon to the Czech Republique of Slowakia and visit some breeders and when you are both really agree with this race, decide if you will bring home a puppy to take care both of you.

But sending a puppy by "parcel" I think no breeder will do this.

Many wishes and have a nice weddingday,

letty

lountzi · 02-05-2007, 23:28

What a beautiful dog but unfortunately Greece is not ready for this breed of dog. Believe me I have lived here for 17 years and have been involved in animal welfare here for as many years. Greeks in North Greece have been cross breeding wolves and dogs for years and people like me end up rescuing stray wolfdog crossbreeds. they certainly can't be sold in pet shops and any future owner of csw in greece should be first interviewed. My oldest wolfdog crossbreed is 9 and thank god he found me.

lountzi · 02-05-2007, 23:52

PS. Nicholas, do you have a stremma of land for your dog to run free, do you have 2 metre fences surrounding your proprty? or will it live in your house? Are you willing to train or exercise it every day?If not do you have secure kennels to put him away when your greek friends and family visit? If not, buy yourself a pomeranian or grab a small stray off the road - there are plenty!

Rona · 03-05-2007, 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by lountzi

What a beautiful dog but unfortunately Greece is not ready for this breed of dog. Believe me I have lived here for 17 years and have been involved in animal welfare here for as many years. Greeks in North Greece have been cross breeding wolves and dogs for years and people like me end up rescuing stray wolfdog crossbreeds. they certainly can't be sold in pet shops and any future owner of csw in greece should be first interviewed. My oldest wolfdog crossbreed is 9 and thank god he found me.

Lountzi, you seem to have confused wolf hybrids and wolfdogs with a well established DOG breed called Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. I know several CSV (including my own) who live in flats in the middle of cities, do not run away and are loved by neighbours... It's true that CSVs need a lot of exercise and need to be trained, but don't exaggerate, they are not WOLVES but DOGS.

I agree that Nicholas does not show the right attitude to the idea of buying a CSV, but it's not due to the breed but rather his hasty plan, which seems rather a kind of a whim than a mature decision based on knowledge. It has already been indicated earlier in this thread.

Unfortunately, experience shows that people like Nicolas, who buy CSVs without careful consideration and knowledge of the dogs' needs and characteristics, and without meeting the dogs live first and observing how much energy they have, often return them to their breeders or advertise in the section "CSVs seeking new home" very soon after their acquisition

lountzi · 03-05-2007, 10:24

Certainly not confused what a czw is and what a wolf hybrid is, and was not implicating that czw is a WOLF, since it is a registered dog breed. It did however originate from wolf-hybrid and not that many years ago. Merely pointing out that these large breeds need a lot of care and attention which unfortunately in Greece the majority don't get.

lountzi · 03-05-2007, 10:28

Sorry csv not czw, getting my english letters mixed up

Rona · 03-05-2007, 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by lountzi

Certainly not confused what a czw is and what a wolf hybrid is, and was not implicating that czw is a WOLF, since it is a registered dog breed. It did however originate from wolf-hybrid and not that many years ago.

Agree, but remember about the really TOUGH selection process that took place in Pohranicni Straze kennel, which is not the case of amateur, incidental breeding of wolf hybrids. By the way, a 2m fence is not an obstacle for a CSV.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lountzi

Merely pointing out that these large breeds need a lot of care and attention which unfortunately in Greece the majority don't get.

You're right, that's really too bad. But why don't they get the necessary care and attention? Due to the ignorance of the owners or legal regulations or other factors?

lountzi · 03-05-2007, 15:18

Unfortunately welfare of animals in Greece is very poor.This is caused mainly by ignorance and lack of education on animal welfare.In recent years there has been a rising trend for ownership of large breeds such as rottweiler,doberman,german shepherd,pit bull and lately the hellenic sheepdog. Owning such animals is seen as a status symbol since your average Greek is petrified of these dogs.They tend to be left chained up in a yard without any socialisation and treated as vicious guard dogs. Of course when the owner becomes bored of them they are then dumped as a stray. Never heard of a Greek contacting the breeder to rehouse their pet. But then again how many registered dog breeders are there in Greece! The other major problem is not neutering their pets. This is seen as barbaric and is very rare.
Ps are there any restrictions on bringing csv to Greece? Would love to know for possible future purchase.

01-05-2007, 10:59	#1
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	Where and how can i get a CW puppy in Greece? Dear all, I live in Greece and i am looking to buy a CW puppy. Unfortunately all pet shops i have contacted told me that they cannot find me one. IS it possible for you to tell me where can i have a puppy and the proper procedure to import it to Greece? Thank you very much in advance for your help Best, Nick p.s: I am sorry if this is not the right forum to post my question but i am new here.

01-05-2007, 12:57	#3
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	I have sale one puppies from Greece. and I now whe all see. Pupps mas have rabies vactination, have export pedigree, mikrochip and flying with hes owner with aeroplane __________________

01-05-2007, 16:16	#5
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	Dear Nicholas, i have sale one male from me in Greece. This puppies mas stay with me for 3,5 monat -in 3 monat he have rabies vactination. Hes new owner flying in Praha (Czech Republic) and i traveling in training camp and bring hem puppies. I will all thime see new owner in "eyes to eyes" and speak with hem in real, not only with internet or call help. New owners have hes puppies in Praha and flying with hem in Greece. I not know who cost have this people. But about this information You cann quest Ouer flying firms and about my puppies-You see http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/633.html and about others puppies http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/ If You will have moore information about my kennel-please wright my PW regards __________________

01-05-2007, 17:01	#7
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	Lety, puppies FROM EXPORT IN GREECE mas have rabies vactination. This country have this reguls. and puppies from Lithuania in 6 weeks have export pedigree regards __________________

01-05-2007, 18:53	#9
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	Sorry but i living in Lithuania, and i not salle pupps from pet shop. Never in me live !!! If You not cann flying and take puppies from me hand, i not speak about puppies sale. Sorry but this is me reguls. regards __________________

01-05-2007, 12:39	#2
Koos Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 731	Hi Nicholas. The countries nearest by Greece are Slowakia and Czech Republique to look after a puppy. You are new here but at the first page of Wolfdog, you see a list at the right side with expecting litters. The dates which are mentioned are the dates the puppies can go to the new homes. Maybe you can try to contact some breeders, some of them speaking English or German. I think this is the easiest way to get a puppy, Many regards, Letty

01-05-2007, 15:29	#4
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	wolfin you say that you have sold a puppy to Greece before? If this is so, could you tell me the procedure and the total cost? Do you have male puppies currently? Thanks

01-05-2007, 16:57	#6
Koos Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 731	Hi Nicholas agian. There is a lot of difference between air compagny's to ship living animals. Not every air compagny do this and as I said there is a lot of difference in price. You have to infirm you before about this. I have also shipped several times dogs around the whole world and when you can pick up your puppy by yourself it is much. much cheaper then the pup is travelling by his own. For example: last year I had to ship 2 adult CW dogs from Holland to Spain(Malaga) I infirmed by several air compagnies and the cheapest price was about Euro 800,-- pro dog. Then I infirmed how much it was when I travelled together with the dogs? The answer was for myself a return ticket and the single flight to Spain with the 2 dogs together ---- Euro 402,--.So you see the difference. Wolfin spook about rabies. This is not necessairy when the pup is unter the age of 12 weeks. And by some airplane compagnies you can take it into the cabbin, because it is unter the weight of 8 - 12 kilogramms. Also the export - pedigree is mostly not available at this time. And most of the breeders will make contact with the new owner so therefore it is better to pick your puppy up by yourself. At this moment I can't help you because I have no puppies available and maybe we will get some at the end of this year but of course you can visit our website www.graaff-goverwelle.nl Many greetings and good luck Letty

01-05-2007, 18:44	#8
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	Unfortunately i cannot fly to any country to pick up the puppy. Besides i suppose that in nowadays globalized world there must be a way to have the dog brought into my doorstep. The only way i can think of is to give the contacts (addresses or tel numbers) to the largest pet shop chain in Greece and have them arrange eveyrthing on my behalf. I have already ,ailed to some breeders i found on the right hand side of the home page. Wolfin i suppose you live in Czech Republic right? Is it possible to give your contact details to this pet shop i was talking about so they can arrange everything with you? The reason i cannot fly right now to have the puppy is that i am getting married on the 16th of June and i am in the middle of the preparation.

01-05-2007, 20:07	#11
Koos Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 731	OK Wolfin, I didn't know that Greece had this rules and that export pedigrees are allready fixed in this age. In Holland it takes a few month to get pedigrees and the last year there is a new way to get pedigrees earlier but it takes allways about 2 month to get them.. My appolozises, Letty

01-05-2007, 20:17	#13
Koos Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 731	Nicholas, If your are in your preporation for your wedding, do you have time enough to raise up a CW puppy, which takes alllll the time you have??? There will be no time left for the rest of preporation of your wedding. the second question is, is your fiancee agree with your decision to have a CW. Do you and you fiancee know enough to raise up a puppy and at least a CW puppy to a good and stable dog. I don't nothing about you and your coming family but maybe you and your wife are working most days of the week. Where is your puppy then??? At home, in a kennel alone or can you take it with you. At least there is my suggestion, go on your honeymoon to the Czech Republique of Slowakia and visit some breeders and when you are both really agree with this race, decide if you will bring home a puppy to take care both of you. But sending a puppy by "parcel" I think no breeder will do this. Many wishes and have a nice weddingday, letty

02-05-2007, 23:28	#14
lountzi Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9	What a beautiful dog but unfortunately Greece is not ready for this breed of dog. Believe me I have lived here for 17 years and have been involved in animal welfare here for as many years. Greeks in North Greece have been cross breeding wolves and dogs for years and people like me end up rescuing stray wolfdog crossbreeds. they certainly can't be sold in pet shops and any future owner of csw in greece should be first interviewed. My oldest wolfdog crossbreed is 9 and thank god he found me.

02-05-2007, 23:52	#15
lountzi Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9	PS. Nicholas, do you have a stremma of land for your dog to run free, do you have 2 metre fences surrounding your proprty? or will it live in your house? Are you willing to train or exercise it every day?If not do you have secure kennels to put him away when your greek friends and family visit? If not, buy yourself a pomeranian or grab a small stray off the road - there are plenty!

03-05-2007, 10:24	#17
lountzi Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9	Certainly not confused what a czw is and what a wolf hybrid is, and was not implicating that czw is a WOLF, since it is a registered dog breed. It did however originate from wolf-hybrid and not that many years ago. Merely pointing out that these large breeds need a lot of care and attention which unfortunately in Greece the majority don't get.

03-05-2007, 10:28	#18
lountzi Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9	Sorry csv not czw, getting my english letters mixed up

03-05-2007, 15:18	#20
lountzi Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9	Unfortunately welfare of animals in Greece is very poor.This is caused mainly by ignorance and lack of education on animal welfare.In recent years there has been a rising trend for ownership of large breeds such as rottweiler,doberman,german shepherd,pit bull and lately the hellenic sheepdog. Owning such animals is seen as a status symbol since your average Greek is petrified of these dogs.They tend to be left chained up in a yard without any socialisation and treated as vicious guard dogs. Of course when the owner becomes bored of them they are then dumped as a stray. Never heard of a Greek contacting the breeder to rehouse their pet. But then again how many registered dog breeders are there in Greece! The other major problem is not neutering their pets. This is seen as barbaric and is very rare. Ps are there any restrictions on bringing csv to Greece? Would love to know for possible future purchase.