wolf killing in USA goes on

michaelundinaeichhorn · 17-10-2009, 11:36

Just as an information, I don´t know what to say, I am too shocked
http://wolves.wordpress.com/2009/10/...ana-wolf-hunt/

Ina

michaelundinaeichhorn · 17-10-2009, 15:38

https://secure.defenders.org/site/Ad...Action&id=1586

Mikael · 17-10-2009, 17:07

Thanks for the info Ina

In Canada they had wolf hunt for a long time now on Timber Wolf

Because sadly this is business and big $$$

Example

Quote:

Wolf Only Hunt: September 15th through the 2nd Saturday in October. US$1450 per hunter.
Wolf/Deer Combo Hunt: 2nd Saturday in October through end of October. US$2150 per hunter.
Your timber wolf hunt package includes...

>>> www.larssonscamp.ca/wolfpg/wolfpg.htm

Sad regards / Mikael

michaelundinaeichhorn · 17-10-2009, 17:22

I know, it is the same reason in the US, the wildlife management ist not financed by the state like mostly in Europe but by private sources, mostly hunters. And there are several European states who sell wolves to rich hunters. One of the very few German wolves has been illegally shot this year.

I don´t know why this special message was so much worse for me maybe because this was a well known pack out of a protected region, we all may have seen their photos or films showing them. I don´t want to imagine the grieve of the people who observed them for years and saw them grow up and having puppies of their own.
The wolves we raised this year are about the same age theirs are now and I just was in the park playing with them and petting them I couldn´t guarantee for myself if I would meet someone doing them any harm.
When you get to know their personalities and charakters they get very special animals, to loose them is not easy to take, to loose them to a bloody ignorant that just waited for one of them to leave the park is even worse.

Ina

GalomyOak · 17-10-2009, 18:56

For sure, it is not all of us in the USA that agree with this heinous bloodshed...coyotes - who live almost everywhere in the US, suffer an equally horrific fate, though not endangered...they are considered "nuisance" animals by many localities, and can be shot in any place, at any time...right now we are entering the season I fear most for my dogs...hunting season. All over, there are men with big guns and orange hats...

Terrible situation...shame on us...

Marcy

michaelundinaeichhorn · 17-10-2009, 19:13

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Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

For sure, it is not all of us in the USA that agree with this heinous bloodshed...coyotes -

I know this for sure, the other side are people like Ray Coppinger with his live stock guarding dogs projects and, and, and

The only good thing is that the hunting may be stay stopped.
http://invw.org/2009/10/yellowstone-...iders-tactics/

michaelundinaeichhorn · 25-10-2009, 12:12

http://www.canis-kynos.de/forum/atta...achmentid=1293

Mikael · 25-10-2009, 23:28

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

http://www.canis-kynos.de/forum/atta...achmentid=1293

No lo entiendo

Best regards / Mikael

michaelundinaeichhorn · 25-10-2009, 23:44

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Originally Posted by Mikael

No lo entiendo

Best regards / Mikael

What the link or what they did? What they did no sensible person can understand.

Best regards
Ina

Mikael · 26-10-2009, 00:56

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

What the link or what they did? What they did no sensible person can understand.

Best regards
Ina

I did not understand the info on the link

As I did not understand the language

Best regards / Mikael

Angelika · 26-10-2009, 07:50

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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

What the link or what they did?

neither ... nor - because there is nothing to understand if you are not registered in

michaelundinaeichhorn · 26-10-2009, 08:15

Oh, I am very sorry, I didn´t realize that

It was an article about the killing of the yellowstone wolves. The whole research done on this wolves can´t be used any longer for the project that they have been collared for (what costs 1500,--/wolf) because it is a long-term study on packs without human influence. One of the things it showed is that older wolves (what means older than 4!, the average live span in the wild is 6!) don´t hunt elks any more on their own. The youngers do it and sometimes get help from the olders in the end and all of them feed of the prey. But it also means that if you want to increase the number of elks in wolfterritory it is the wrong way to kill adult wolves because they are the ones that don´t prefer elks any longer. And management plans always go out from the thinking that you have the more elks the more wolves you shoot, what is showed to be wrong in this study.
The killing of the adults of the cottonwood pack not only means that the puppies will die but also that very likely the younger wolves that still wander around will spread out of the park into lifestock-areas and that in general the younger wolves will hunt mor elks than before.
And of course that a project that would have helped to find out how to do a better management has been severely disturbed or maybe destroid by exactly the people who could have been having the benefit of it.

Ina

saschia · 26-10-2009, 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

And of course that a project that would have helped to find out how to do a better management has been severely disturbed or maybe destroid by exactly the people who could have been having the benefit of it.

This is just the thing that drives me up the wall. People are stupid and not willing to learn, because they are the most intelligent ones (usually because God or the voters made them so).

saschia · 26-10-2009, 11:24

You know what is really sad? The two females mentioned in the article were both, during their lifetime, members of the Slough Creek pack. That is, incidentally, the location of the second episode of the Wolfquest videogame (http://www.wolfquest.org/), scheduled to be released late this November. Videogame, which is meant to disseminate knowledge of wolves among young people.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 26-10-2009, 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by saschia

. Videogame, which is meant to disseminate knowledge of wolves among young people.

Since menkind is the main cause of death in wolves this game would be really realistic if they add this end of the pack

saschia · 26-10-2009, 11:53

Fortunately, other pack was destroyed. Unfortunately, the loss is just as big. Most unfortunately, people will not learn and adult wolves will still be killed, and the packs will lose their most important members.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 26-10-2009, 14:57

http://www.missoulian.com/news/state...cc4c03286.html

With 250 000 000 Dollars to earn through hunting only in Montana preferences will be very clear also in future

saschia · 26-10-2009, 15:10

That article just makes me sick. Hunting the predators never helps the situation, if it is not done by experts. Killing accidentally spotted animals rarely results in killing those wolves / bears / whatever that cause the economical damage. Most of the animals that die are the ones which are nice and big and provide good trophies. That means with wolves that the young ones will not learn to hunt for larger pray and will have to learn on their own - usually learn that livestock is quite an easy prey.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 26-10-2009, 15:47

And you should think that 250 Mio Dollars would enable you to pay of 77 cattle and 157 sheep per year and finance some protections apart from shooting wolves.

Rona · 26-10-2009, 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

http://www.missoulian.com/news/state...cc4c03286.html

With 250 000 000 Dollars to earn through hunting only in Montana preferences will be very clear also in future

We faced this problem last summer on our holidays in beautiful, wild mountains... We saw rich, arrogant hunters who came for weekends in their expensive stylish vans with sophisticated, electronically equipped guns that gave wild animals no chance in confrontation...
l'll never forget the sounds of shots at dawn that made our blood run cold, the squealing of the wounded animals that had been crossing our paths a few hours earlier and we were admiring their charm...

And the horrible, mixed feelings of fury and helplessness!

Naturally, I understand foresters who sometimes need to shoot wild animals, but if they are normal, emphatic people, they consider killing to be the more nasty side of their job...

17-10-2009, 11:36	#1
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	wolf killing in USA goes on Just as an information, I don´t know what to say, I am too shocked http://wolves.wordpress.com/2009/10/...ana-wolf-hunt/ Ina

17-10-2009, 18:56	#5
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	For sure, it is not all of us in the USA that agree with this heinous bloodshed...coyotes - who live almost everywhere in the US, suffer an equally horrific fate, though not endangered...they are considered "nuisance" animals by many localities, and can be shot in any place, at any time...right now we are entering the season I fear most for my dogs...hunting season. All over, there are men with big guns and orange hats... Terrible situation...shame on us... Marcy __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."~Henry David Thoreau http://www.galomyoak.com

26-10-2009, 08:15	#12
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Oh, I am very sorry, I didn´t realize that It was an article about the killing of the yellowstone wolves. The whole research done on this wolves can´t be used any longer for the project that they have been collared for (what costs 1500,--/wolf) because it is a long-term study on packs without human influence. One of the things it showed is that older wolves (what means older than 4!, the average live span in the wild is 6!) don´t hunt elks any more on their own. The youngers do it and sometimes get help from the olders in the end and all of them feed of the prey. But it also means that if you want to increase the number of elks in wolfterritory it is the wrong way to kill adult wolves because they are the ones that don´t prefer elks any longer. And management plans always go out from the thinking that you have the more elks the more wolves you shoot, what is showed to be wrong in this study. The killing of the adults of the cottonwood pack not only means that the puppies will die but also that very likely the younger wolves that still wander around will spread out of the park into lifestock-areas and that in general the younger wolves will hunt mor elks than before. And of course that a project that would have helped to find out how to do a better management has been severely disturbed or maybe destroid by exactly the people who could have been having the benefit of it. Ina Last edited by michaelundinaeichhorn; 26-10-2009 at 08:24.

26-10-2009, 11:24	#14
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	You know what is really sad? The two females mentioned in the article were both, during their lifetime, members of the Slough Creek pack. That is, incidentally, the location of the second episode of the Wolfquest videogame (http://www.wolfquest.org/), scheduled to be released late this November. Videogame, which is meant to disseminate knowledge of wolves among young people. __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

26-10-2009, 11:53	#16
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	Fortunately, other pack was destroyed. Unfortunately, the loss is just as big. Most unfortunately, people will not learn and adult wolves will still be killed, and the packs will lose their most important members. __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

17-10-2009, 15:38	#2
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	https://secure.defenders.org/site/Ad...Action&id=1586

17-10-2009, 17:22	#4
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	I know, it is the same reason in the US, the wildlife management ist not financed by the state like mostly in Europe but by private sources, mostly hunters. And there are several European states who sell wolves to rich hunters. One of the very few German wolves has been illegally shot this year. I don´t know why this special message was so much worse for me maybe because this was a well known pack out of a protected region, we all may have seen their photos or films showing them. I don´t want to imagine the grieve of the people who observed them for years and saw them grow up and having puppies of their own. The wolves we raised this year are about the same age theirs are now and I just was in the park playing with them and petting them I couldn´t guarantee for myself if I would meet someone doing them any harm. When you get to know their personalities and charakters they get very special animals, to loose them is not easy to take, to loose them to a bloody ignorant that just waited for one of them to leave the park is even worse. Ina

25-10-2009, 12:12	#7
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	http://www.canis-kynos.de/forum/atta...achmentid=1293

26-10-2009, 14:57	#17
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	http://www.missoulian.com/news/state...cc4c03286.html With 250 000 000 Dollars to earn through hunting only in Montana preferences will be very clear also in future

26-10-2009, 15:10	#18
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	That article just makes me sick. Hunting the predators never helps the situation, if it is not done by experts. Killing accidentally spotted animals rarely results in killing those wolves / bears / whatever that cause the economical damage. Most of the animals that die are the ones which are nice and big and provide good trophies. That means with wolves that the young ones will not learn to hunt for larger pray and will have to learn on their own - usually learn that livestock is quite an easy prey. __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

26-10-2009, 15:47	#19
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	And you should think that 250 Mio Dollars would enable you to pay of 77 cattle and 157 sheep per year and finance some protections apart from shooting wolves.