What is the average content of the Czech wolfdog? - Page 2

Tassle · 27-09-2011, 23:28

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Not understanding how you've interpreted my post.. I was simply saying.. your example of saying "F1= 50% wolf, 50% GSD and F2= 50% wolf/GSD and so on" is not entirely accurate because that was not how the breeding was done. As I said, there was and is backcrossing and linebreeding, and so calculations would not strictly be by simply dividing, but rather you must account for things like F2b, and linebreeding. That's all.

What do you mean by "diluting" the breed though? Do you mean in terms of the mathematical calculation of wolfblood? That number is wholly irrelevant and says nothing about the temperament or type of an individual dog.. I can assure you that no breeder makes breeding plans based on what would maintain that mathematical number.

Taking this into account - surely the calculator is to be taken with a pinch of salt as a general possibility (or should that be probability?). Due to the way genetics works, even in a closed gene pool there is no way of knowing how much of each Parent the offspring will inherit?

In theory, the dogs could be higher or lower than predicted?

yukidomari · 28-09-2011, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Tassle

Taking this into account - surely the calculator is to be taken with a pinch of salt as a general possibility (or should that be probability?). Due to the way genetics works, even in a closed gene pool there is no way of knowing how much of each Parent the offspring will inherit?

In theory, the dogs could be higher or lower than predicted?

Yes, exactly, so that's why the mathematical calculation is really not useful information, it's 'just for fun' as to the I suppose 'average' possibility assuming dogs inherit exactly half of characteristics (which we all know it doesn't).

Tassle · 28-09-2011, 10:42

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Yes, exactly, so that's why the mathematical calculation is really not useful information, it's 'just for fun' as to the I suppose 'average' possibility assuming dogs inherit exactly half of characteristics (which we all know it doesn't).

Always nice to keep these things in perspective

tupacs2legs · 28-09-2011, 10:48

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Originally Posted by Tassle

Taking this into account - surely the calculator is to be taken with a pinch of salt as a general possibility (or should that be probability?). Due to the way genetics works, even in a closed gene pool there is no way of knowing how much of each Parent the offspring will inherit?

In theory, the dogs could be higher or lower than predicted?

exactly why i said its irrelevant

(in my first post)

happyfeet · 28-09-2011, 14:12

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Originally Posted by tupacs2legs

exactly why i said its irrelevant

(in my first post)

If it is irrelevant then why did you calculate your own dog???

loco · 28-09-2011, 15:06

I also think it is irrelevant, because i have a dog with 100 % CSW-blood

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happyfeet · 28-09-2011, 15:32

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Originally Posted by loco

I also think it is irrelevant, because i have a dog with 100 % CSW-blood

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Thanks for your comment, but this has been a wealth of information for myself everyone else who has posted, after all, this is a forum for the Czechslovakian Wolfdog, not the Czechslovakian Dog , but please correct me if I am wrong ??

tupacs2legs · 28-09-2011, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

If it is irrelevant then why did you calculate your own dog???

Oh dear,I came across it when using the tool for something else.....and?

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Originally Posted by loco

I also think it is irrelevant, because i have a dog with 100 % CSW-blood

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indeed

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

Thanks for your comment, but this has been a wealth of information for myself everyone else who has posted, after all, this is a forum for the Czechslovakian Wolfdog, not the Czechslovakian Dog , but please correct me if I am wrong ??

Actually they are vlcak's I suggest u look up what it means and translations

What's got a bee in your bonnet? Were the answers from people that know the BREED not want u wanted to hear?

Eta .... The word vlcak....

Vlčák means all German Shepherd Dog and wolfdogs in the Czech language cs:Vlčák. Word vlčák is derived from vlk (wolf). Vlčák or Německý vlčák (German vlčák) means also German Shepherd Dog in common Czech. Correct Czech name of German Shepherd Dog is německý ovčák.

I think maybe you are putting too much on the 'wolf content' as there was a helluva lot more GSD's used

loco · 28-09-2011, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

, not the Czechslovakian Dog , but please correct me if I am wrong ??

I wil, because i said CSW

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Czecho Slovakian Wolfdog.
And I have a CSW

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But stil, it is a dog

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happyfeet · 28-09-2011, 16:59

I thought this was a discussion forum? not a bitching forum? I find both of your attitudes rather poor at best,

2packs I see from your other posts that you seem to enjoy putting everyone you can down, I find it rather distastfull.

My question has been answered, for my research my question was relevent and the Elf link gave me a wealth of information.

happyfeet · 28-09-2011, 17:02

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

I thought this was a discussion forum? not a bitching forum? I find both of your attitudes rather poor at best,

2packs I see from your other posts that you seem to enjoy putting everyone you can down, I find it rather distastfull.

My question has been answered, for my research my question was relevent and the Elf link gave me a wealth of information.

AND WELCOME TO THE WOLFDOG FORUM!

Tassle · 28-09-2011, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

I thought this was a discussion forum? not a bitching forum? I find both of your attitudes rather poor at best,

2packs I see from your other posts that you seem to enjoy putting everyone you can down, I find it rather distastfull.

My question has been answered, for my research my question was relevent and the Elf link gave me a wealth of information.

Just for interest why do you feel it is important?

tupacs2legs · 28-09-2011, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

I thought this was a discussion forum? not a bitching forum? I find both of your attitudes rather poor at best,

2packs I see from your other posts that you seem to enjoy putting everyone you can down, I find it rather distastfull.

My question has been answered, for my research my question was relevent and the Elf link gave me a wealth of information.

who do i put down? i defo do not enjoy putting people down!

i didnt like your attitude in the post so i replied with the same attitude,mind u whats wrong with saying something is irrelevant imo...as its my opinion to have

and disagreeing is part of discussion is it not?

yukidomari · 28-09-2011, 17:44

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

If it is irrelevant then why did you calculate your own dog???

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Originally Posted by yukidomari

Yes, exactly, so that's why the mathematical calculation is really not useful information, it's 'just for fun' as to the I suppose 'average' possibility assuming dogs inherit exactly half of characteristics (which we all know it doesn't).

exactly and only for this reason.

loco · 28-09-2011, 17:45

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

please correct me if I am wrong ??

You said please,............................

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I did nothing more you asked for

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happyfeet · 28-09-2011, 18:06

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Originally Posted by leila

Hi, my Nero is 27,9 and Chasa 30,05%. the average is about 25-26%.
In the tool you can find very interesting informations, % about the dogs in health, wolfblood, pedigree,...

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I see its used by other breeders i,e shadowlands etc on this thread

so is it wrong to ask? show interest in how this breed was formed? or are you just having another rant at a newbie for asking a question? I note you didnt ask the other people on the thread why they felt it was important to use the tool? or is it ok for some to use and not others?

I see that Blaidd states clearly in opening the tread why he was interested and I have had a go to see what wolfblood is in my dog its only human to be interested isnt it?

whether its a breeder using it for info, a potential owner or just for research its still a great tool and useful.

I dont understand why you insist on making mountains out of mole hills

I see that Blaidd has a pure dog, wouldnt it be better to welcome him with open arms involve him in your plans to KC register the breed in the UK and
get to know him than try to play mini detectives and pull at threads and play on words!

If you keep doing this to newbies support will dwindle for your plans

IN MY OPINION

DONT BE PUT OFF BLAIDD NOT ALL FORUM MEMBERS ARE LIKE THIS SOME ARE REALLY HELPFUL AND SUPPORTIVE

You should look and read the threads on UK Kennel club registration some of the forum members on there are trying to work together for the breed recognition in the UK.... once you get over the back biting underneath I think they are trying to work together.....

Good Luck!

Shadowlands · 28-09-2011, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

Elf's tool is invaluable - don't know where we would be without it

Gives all sorts of interesting information about individual dogs plus is really useful when planning a breeding.

Our girl is 30.17% wolfblood (have to admit, I'd never looked this up before )

If I am reading it correctly, it gives you how many generations back the founding wolves were involved in each individual CsV - fascinating!

It is not anything a breeder places any emphasis on - it's just for fun

happyfeet · 28-09-2011, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Shadowlands

It is not anything a breeder places any emphasis on - it's just for fun

Have you just contradicted yourself?

Shadowlands · 28-09-2011, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Blaidd

Have you just contradicted yourself?

Sorry Blaidd, I don't understand how...

I said in my original post that I had never looked up the wolfblood before and that was what I was referring to as a bit of fun.

Elf's tool, on the other hand, is invaluable to breeders.

Hope this clears things up

happyfeet · 28-09-2011, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Tassle

Just for interest why do you feel it is important?

I cannot see how anyone could believe it is a good thing to be buying a 'breed' and not know what has made it up??Inuits (British and Northern), Utes, British Wolfdogs....(and the things we are not allowed to mention)...are marketed by many as a breed (wrongly IMO)...to be unaware of what has gone in (so many people do not even seem to realise there is Sibe or Mal in there).
It is unfair on the people buying them IMO.

Sound farmiliar?

28-09-2011, 15:06	#26
loco Non active. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Outside, walking the dog. Posts: 2,873	I also think it is irrelevant, because i have a dog with 100 % CSW-blood . __________________ Just treat stupid situations like a dog.....If you can't play with it or eat it....... Then just piss on it and walk away . Last edited by loco; 28-09-2011 at 15:08.

28-09-2011, 16:59	#30
happyfeet Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: on a farm Posts: 78	I thought this was a discussion forum? not a bitching forum? I find both of your attitudes rather poor at best, 2packs I see from your other posts that you seem to enjoy putting everyone you can down, I find it rather distastfull. My question has been answered, for my research my question was relevent and the Elf link gave me a wealth of information.