About "stud list" on wolfdog.org

AMERICANI · 25-01-2010, 17:01

Please add me too!

Martab · 26-01-2010, 18:31

Hallo, nice to meet everyone!

Let's actualize the list:
dany
bonfiglioli
hayla
riko06
star
sunnyna
betti
piccolino
anastasia
laila
edha
jal
molisanodream
starjumper
erica&amy
elisaP
i piccy
Antarctica
arf
woland77
aly87
matteo&martina
valentina
frafairy
na
mogwai
divina
maya
ciao69
bricicca1
arnaldo it
venerusoangelo
giobi 81
tatanka1094
luca
pisculli
marco
zach
chiara.giardini
m.greta
Lyudmila Encheva
roby e gaio
sirius
zattilio
littlewolf
fede86
denial
odisseo
sciamalaia
robykut
MariNoor
amaguk
ezibaby
gilda
ste
chepi
ciao69
riko06
mat
littlewolf
hadankama
ovogibba
wolflinx
germans
ornella
vassel
laila
martab
navarre
Mikael
Runningwolf
z Peronoòwki
michaelundinaeicchorn
mijke
Nebulosa
Rona
Americani

whereas Jmvdwiel is "against of removing the dogs without ED results", but I guess not against including dogs WITH ED results, whatever the result is. Is it correct?
Are we in 78 or 79?

sciamalaia · 26-01-2010, 18:46

I think we should include dogs with any results of ED in the list and not to exclude people who do not have the results yet.
I think it is better to know that hiding, since it is not an official list of a specific club .
If I'm wrong or if you do not agree please say your opinion ..

Bille · 26-01-2010, 19:48

I think it's important to publish all results and announce dogs in the list, which have a breeding license in their country.
It's my decision and my responsibility to take a male with bad results to my female. (surely it shouldn't be)
If all results are published without evaluating, mybe people will send more results to the database.
Like Ina and other breeders, I want to know as much as possible about the dogs and the next of kin.

Greetings Bille

Nebelwölfe · 27-01-2010, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bille

I think it's important to publish all results and announce dogs in the list, which have a breeding license in their country.
It's my decision and my responsibility to take a male with bad results to my female. (surely it shouldn't be)
If all results are published without evaluating, mybe people will send more results to the database.
Like Ina and other breeders, I want to know as much as possible about the dogs and the next of kin.

Greetings Bille

I do have exactly the same opinion. How can we expect breeders to be honest and open to each other and talk/inform about diseases - if even admin of wolfdog.org punishes honesty? There shouldn't be any evaluation of any diseases since this doesn't help to keep our race healthy at all - as we can see in other threads. We only succeed if we work together.

Please publish all dogs.

canislupus · 27-01-2010, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlepeet

I do have exactly the same opinion. How can we expect breeders to be honest and open to each other and talk/inform about diseases - if even admin of wolfdog.org punishes honesty? There shouldn't be any evaluation of any diseases since this doesn't help to keep our race healthy at all - as we can see in other threads. We only succeed if we work together.

Please publish all dogs.

exactly my opinion! Tanja

massimo · 27-01-2010, 12:08

I would like to point out that the initial message of the list does NOT say that ALL dogs with ED0 or 1 SHOULD be on the list...not at all.

Quote:

we ask that it applies equal rules for the users of every country. It would be a democratic gesture to discuss the rules BEFORE they were applied, and it would also make the scientific motivations behind them clearer.

it intelligently says that being the site a private site, the owner can apply any rule he wants, but it would be best if the rules are CLEAR, STATED, and applied to ALL DOGS.

My position is the following, and I've expressed it many times.
Studlist: all dogs can be studs "advertise" studs then put limits and apply them.
It is authorised to use HDC in some countries, and in others not.
ED1 is also of common use.
But if WD wants to exclude these dogs, then be it, take ALL dogs with ED1 , HDC or WITHOUT results (official results, proven with copy sent to ADMIN or Margo in the past) OFF the list.
I made HD to Oliver when he was 14 months old...and forgot to make ED...which I made when he was 3 years old.
My choice...but Oliver deserves to be in the list in this case.

Massimo

saschia · 05-02-2010, 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlepeet

I do have exactly the same opinion. How can we expect breeders to be honest and open to each other and talk/inform about diseases - if even admin of wolfdog.org punishes honesty? There shouldn't be any evaluation of any diseases since this doesn't help to keep our race healthy at all - as we can see in other threads. We only succeed if we work together.

Please publish all dogs.

I agree with this 100%. You can put me also on the list.

AMERICANI · 05-02-2010, 23:10

I plan on breeding in America. I have 2 males & 2 females. All from decent lines, and none with HD or ED results
(Piter has his as a "B", but I want to re-certify once I change to AKC/FSS Pedigree) results. I have a female (Estia) who was hit by a car at a young age. Her fractured hip is bad on x-ray. Her other hip is probably a "B" according to OFA. I don't like Italy's methods. I want to return to America with a reputation, preferably good in the sense that I haven't bred any bad dogs. NOR do I have the intention to. I want to do everything in my power to represent my country and my kennels as an asset to the breed.
Does anyone know the method of HD testing Mexico has. If I move there can I be listed as a breeder? Just curious....

Mikael · 26-01-2010, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martab

Hallo, nice to meet everyone!

Let's actualize the list:
dany
bonfiglioli
hayla
riko06
star
sunnyna
betti
piccolino
anastasia
laila
edha
jal
molisanodream
starjumper
erica&amy
elisaP
i piccy
Antarctica
arf
woland77
aly87
matteo&martina
valentina
frafairy
na
mogwai
divina
maya
ciao69
bricicca1
arnaldo it
venerusoangelo
giobi 81
tatanka1094
luca
pisculli
marco
zach
chiara.giardini
m.greta
Lyudmila Encheva
roby e gaio
sirius
zattilio
littlewolf
fede86
denial
odisseo
sciamalaia
robykut
MariNoor
amaguk
ezibaby
gilda
ste
chepi
ciao69
riko06
mat
littlewolf
hadankama
ovogibba
wolflinx
germans
ornella
vassel
laila
martab
navarre
Mikael
Runningwolf
z Peronoòwki
michaelundinaeicchorn
mijke
Nebulosa
Rona
Americani

whereas Jmvdwiel is "against of removing the dogs without ED results", but I guess not against including dogs WITH ED results, whatever the result is. Is it correct?
Are we in 78 or 79?

-1 read Mijke´s post nr 3 and 8

It is to be 77-1 I think

Very best regards / Mikael

Martab · 26-01-2010, 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael

-1 read Mijke´s post nr 2 and 8

Ii is to be 77-1 I think

Very best regards / Mikael

I understand that you wish to include only dogs with HD and ED results. And I think that this is the wish everyone has.
But in this moment we have to consider that dogs without ED results are included, whereas dogs with not positive ED results are excluded.

I believe that the FIRST STEP to be taken is to include all dogs with or without ED results, and not to discriminate dogs with "not perfect" ED results, as explained in the petition. (this is MY personal point of view, not the point of view of all the petitioners)

Only afterwards, we can think about new rules to be applied.
The point is that the actual situation is clearly unfair and discriminatory, and needs to be changed immediately.
Agreeing on the "new rules" to be applied is much more complicated, and requires reasonings to be shared...this is my thought but I am more than willing to consider different proposals

sciamalaia · 26-01-2010, 19:23

Marta please let Mijke out from the list for the moment because it's not clear what he thinks about this last proposal.

Martab · 26-01-2010, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by sciamalaia

Marta please let Mijke out from the list for the moment because it's not clear what he thinks about this last proposal.

No problem, I only wanted to make clear that one thing is the petition posted by Navarre, and another thing is the discussion on how to set new rules for the stud list.
We now are in 77

Mikael · 26-01-2010, 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martab

I understand that you...

Sorry Martab my falt

I meant post nr 3 and 8 not nr 2 and 8

I´m Mikael not Mijke by the way

Best regards / Mikael

jmvdwiel · 26-01-2010, 22:00

Yes you are totally correct

But you can call me Judith

whereas Jmvdwiel is "against of removing the dogs without ED results", but I guess not against including dogs WITH ED results, whatever the result is. Is it correct?

Martab · 26-01-2010, 23:32

thank you Judith and Mikael

mijke · 27-01-2010, 00:15

Sorry for al misunderstanding by my fault!!

In post nr 8 I did mention with 75 - 1 :
75 for publishing - against 1 admin

So I am correct on the list!

Mikael · 27-01-2010, 01:42

Thanks Mijke for clearing that all out...

Than it is 79-1 or 79-0 as Admin has not really voted yet

And I hope he will vote 80-0

Best regards / Mikael

25-01-2010, 17:01	#1
AMERICANI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 111	AmeriCani Kennels Please add me too!

26-01-2010, 18:31	#2
Martab Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Verona Posts: 4,419	Hallo, nice to meet everyone! Let's actualize the list: dany bonfiglioli hayla riko06 star sunnyna betti piccolino anastasia laila edha jal molisanodream starjumper erica&amy elisaP i piccy Antarctica arf woland77 aly87 matteo&martina valentina frafairy na mogwai divina maya ciao69 bricicca1 arnaldo it venerusoangelo giobi 81 tatanka1094 luca pisculli marco zach chiara.giardini m.greta Lyudmila Encheva roby e gaio sirius zattilio littlewolf fede86 denial odisseo sciamalaia robykut MariNoor amaguk ezibaby gilda ste chepi ciao69 riko06 mat littlewolf hadankama ovogibba wolflinx germans ornella vassel laila martab navarre Mikael Runningwolf z Peronoòwki michaelundinaeicchorn mijke Nebulosa Rona Americani whereas Jmvdwiel is "against of removing the dogs without ED results", but I guess not against including dogs WITH ED results, whatever the result is. Is it correct? Are we in 78 or 79? __________________ Marta & GlockArian

05-02-2010, 23:10	#9
AMERICANI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 111	Exactly... I plan on breeding in America. I have 2 males & 2 females. All from decent lines, and none with HD or ED results (Piter has his as a "B", but I want to re-certify once I change to AKC/FSS Pedigree) results. I have a female (Estia) who was hit by a car at a young age. Her fractured hip is bad on x-ray. Her other hip is probably a "B" according to OFA. I don't like Italy's methods. I want to return to America with a reputation, preferably good in the sense that I haven't bred any bad dogs. NOR do I have the intention to. I want to do everything in my power to represent my country and my kennels as an asset to the breed. Does anyone know the method of HD testing Mexico has. If I move there can I be listed as a breeder? Just curious....

26-01-2010, 23:32	#16
Martab Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Verona Posts: 4,419	thank you Judith and Mikael __________________ Marta & GlockArian

27-01-2010, 00:15	#17
mijke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Warnsveld Posts: 2,033	Sorry for al misunderstanding by my fault!! In post nr 8 I did mention with 75 - 1 : 75 for publishing - against 1 admin So I am correct on the list! __________________ Vriendelijke groeten, Mijke PS: I am not a moderator anymore!!

26-01-2010, 18:46	#3
sciamalaia Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mestre Posts: 2,300	I think we should include dogs with any results of ED in the list and not to exclude people who do not have the results yet. I think it is better to know that hiding, since it is not an official list of a specific club . If I'm wrong or if you do not agree please say your opinion ..

26-01-2010, 19:48	#4
Bille Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: D 72213-Altensteig-Wart Posts: 365	I think it's important to publish all results and announce dogs in the list, which have a breeding license in their country. It's my decision and my responsibility to take a male with bad results to my female. (surely it shouldn't be) If all results are published without evaluating, mybe people will send more results to the database. Like Ina and other breeders, I want to know as much as possible about the dogs and the next of kin. Greetings Bille

26-01-2010, 19:23	#12
sciamalaia Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mestre Posts: 2,300	Marta please let Mijke out from the list for the moment because it's not clear what he thinks about this last proposal.

26-01-2010, 22:00	#15
jmvdwiel Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,061	Yes you are totally correct But you can call me Judith whereas Jmvdwiel is "against of removing the dogs without ED results", but I guess not against including dogs WITH ED results, whatever the result is. Is it correct?

27-01-2010, 01:42	#18
Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Thanks Mijke for clearing that all out... Than it is 79-1 or 79-0 as Admin has not really voted yet And I hope he will vote 80-0 Best regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916

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