Cutt ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- / Miky Passo del Lupo

[elf]

Some updates on how it goes with numbers:

20% of living CSV have Cutt ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- (dog born in 2001) in their pedigree.

13% of living CSV have Miky Passo del Lupo (dog born in 2002) in their pedigree.

[yukidomari]

Envoyé par elf

20% of living CSV have Cutt ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- (dog born in 2001) in their pedigree.

13% of living CSV have Miky Passo del Lupo (dog born in 2002) in their pedigree.

Thanks for the numbers. I roughly counted Cutt as having sired over 20 litters....... knowing nothing about him, I must wonder if there was some reason to use him this many times?

[Mikael]

Yes, but how many of this dogs live in Italy 99% ???

Can we call Fabio and complain you think ???

Very best regards / Mikael

[draggar]

A vlcak version of Lance of Fran-Jo?

20% in only 10 years? That sounds almost impossible (but I know it's very possible).

[Mikael]

 Numbers of offsprings 10 topplist on CsV born after year 2000. :shock:

47 offsprings 2002.12.31 Baron spod Ïumbiera
48 offsprings 2001.12.03 Batt Malý Bysterec
54 offsprings 2004.01.31 Merlin Crying Wolf
51 offsprings 2000.10.06 Rendy ---Passo del Lupo---
55 offsprings 2001.12.04 Edgar Passo del Lupo
60 offsprings 2004.11.11 Vaicko Passo del Lupo 
73 offsprings 2003.04.18 Timber Wolf Arimminum 
82 offsprings 2002.10.15 Duncan ---Colle del Lupo--- 
135 offsprings 2001.04.12 Cutt ---dell'Irco Sortiere--- 
151 offsprings 2002.10.03 Miky Passo del Lupo

Very sad regards / Mikael

Can you get us a update elf ???

Very best regards / Mikael

[elf]

Here is on 1 generation: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...mit=60&depth=1

2 generations: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...it=200&depth=2

3 generations: http://www.amicale-chien-loup-tcheco...it=400&depth=3

[elf]

You can see that Will Passo del Lupo z Molu Es, born in 2007, already have 119 offspring, on the way to beat a record...

[yukidomari]

Guess PDL thinks that "popular stud syndrome" is a good thing, then.

[Mikael]

Atleast they seam to breed on A/A dogs...

Thanks elf Best regards / Mikael

[Mikael]

Envoyé par yukidomari

Guess PDL thinks that "popular stud syndrome" is a good thing, then.

Noooo Jing, Fabio at Passo del Lupo think that $$$ is a good ide

Best regards / Mikael

PS, Jing look at the Bonitation codes for Miky and Cutt, DS.

[yukidomari]

Envoyé par Mikael

PS, Jing look at the Bonitation codes for Miky and Cutt, DS.

I saw those before, but I didn't say anything since on the board there was another discussion about how inaccurate bonitations are, how someone went to different bonitations to 'shop' for different results..

[Mikael]

Envoyé par yukidomari

I saw those before, but I didn't say anything since on the board there was another discussion about how inaccurate bonitations are, how someone went to different bonitations to 'shop' for different results..

Yes, but it do not look like Fabio has bean "shoping" for good result, Miky has no official Bonitation and Cutt is P14 >>> http://www.wolfdog.org/php/modules.p...ation&wid=3584

Best regards / M

[GalomyOak]

While I don't agree with the number of times Cutt or Miky were used, and I know there are problems in the lines...if we are arguing bonitation results, of all of the "official" results for offspring from these two dogs (most are "unofficial"), almost all are P1 or P3 from these 2 dogs. And almost all hips are A or B. A bigger concern for me than bonitation results is heavy linebreeding on these dogs in future breeding...many of the cases of ED can be found from Charon (Cutt's father), according to the statistics from elf's program.

[Vaiva]

Envoyé par Mikael

Yes, but how many of this dogs live in Italy 99% ???

Very best regards / Mikael

Sure, and this is again a shadow on certain county's breeders

[arnaldo_it]

Envoyé par GalomyOak

many of the cases of ED can be found from Charon (Cutt's father), according to the statistics from elf's program.

Charon (seda eminence, I suppose) father of Cutt?
uhm...

http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/p3584-5.html

[lupis]

Envoyé par GalomyOak

A bigger concern for me than bonitation results is heavy linebreeding on these dogs in future breeding...many of the cases of ED can be found from Charon (Cutt's father), according to the statistics from elf's program.

in not only ed but are problems with cancer too. many young dogs die from cancer.