de Louba Tar kennel

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by azazel

Why are we not talking about the puppy factory's in belgium for instance... These people are the real problem.

Have some puppy factory in some others breeds too as in CzW around the world, why not talk about all they as Paul have do with Louba Tar kennel here or for the others breeds, put all that in public?
For do that who accuses need real proofs ( for the justice/law, not for us), and that isn't easy to obtain, that's why, if you don't have that you cannot accuse nobody in public secure.
If you know a puppy factory in belgium and want talk about this in public as Paul have do without have problems, you must find proof's and I think that you must enter already with a process against this person before, if no have that already winned for you.

Greetings

[Azazel]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Have some puppy factory in some others breeds too as in CzW around the world, why not talk about all they as Paul have do with Louba Tar kennel here or for the others breeds, put all that in public?
For do that who accuses need real proofs ( for the justice/law, not for us), and that isn't easy to obtain, that's why, if you don't have that you cannot accuse nobody in public secure.
If you know a puppy factory in belgium and want talk about this in public as Paul have do without have problems, you must find proof's and I think that you must enter already with a process against this person before, if no have that already winned for you.

Greetings

Hi Nebulosa,

Did not see any proof in the postings of Al Pacino.
If there's no real proof the best advise i can give to a person is to not speak about it at all.

I think the posting of Pacino is mean't to harm the breeder, not to save any abused dogs. If he knew that there was a bad thing happening at the Louba Tar kennel, why come forward with it now and not 4 years early'er..

Best Regards,
Barry

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by azazel

Hi Nebulosa,

Did not see any proof in the postings of Al Pacino.
If there's no real proof the best advise i can give to a person is to not speak about it at all.

He don't need post the proofs for they exists , I really not believe that someone will arriving here made such accusations without have all right with the law.
Can be that he don't put all proofs here as not had give complets replies because isn't all 100% done, and if he put somethings in public that can help the breeder to run away of the accusations, can be...

Originally Posted by azazel

I think the posting of Pacino is mean't to harm the breeder, not to save any abused dogs. If he knew that there was a bad thing happening at the Louba Tar kennel, why come forward with it now and not 4 years early'er..

Best Regards,
Barry

Normally isn't easy find proofs valid by the law, principally when that involves animals and breeding, I not exclude the possibility that was because this that he haven't put all that in public before.

But I really cannot believe that this is only a private fight between the two
if that is will be one "suicide attack" made a public topic like that.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by azazel

Hi Nebulosa,

Did not see any proof in the postings of Al Pacino.
If there's no real proof the best advise i can give to a person is to not speak about it at all.

I think the posting of Pacino is mean't to harm the breeder, not to save any abused dogs. If he knew that there was a bad thing happening at the Louba Tar kennel, why come forward with it now and not 4 years early'er..

Best Regards,
Barry

hi Barry, my posting is meant to do all you say puppy mills must be stopped any info on ANY puppy mills please send it to me and action will be taken as soon as hard evidense is made available, read my posts and see why i had to wait a long time, as for Mrs Keizer she can now after reading my posts if she likes Take me to court, i know if someone slandered me like this and it were not true i would,,, wouldnt you? we wait in anticapation for reply from Mrs Keizer or her llegal representitive, and have no fears at all of seeing her in any courtat any time, pacino

[Azazel]

Originally Posted by pacino

hi Barry, my posting is meant to do all you say puppy mills must be stopped any info on ANY puppy mills please send it to me and action will be taken as soon as hard evidense is made available, read my posts and see why i had to wait a long time, as for Mrs Keizer she can now after reading my posts if she likes Take me to court, i know if someone slandered me like this and it were not true i would,,, wouldnt you? we wait in anticapation for reply from Mrs Keizer or her llegal representitive, and have no fears at all of seeing her in any courtat any time, pacino

Dear (Al) Pacino,

Haha... why.. should SHE.. take YOU to court?
Oh please... i think you give yourself to much credit here....

Maybe it's better not to get yourself involved in slander, and enjoy the dogs you have yourself. There's better ways to spend your time i think.

Best Regards,
Barry

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Hi,

sorry folks, but this is a forum for Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs.
I'm more concerned about, although Paul's pics still look disgusting to me, is the fact that Ms Keizer has turned the CSW's coming from her different kennels within 12 years or so into a type of dogs which are hardly CSW's according to the standard. Both in character and phenotype.
Many of them look and behave very Saarlooslike.
Either something happened on purpose or she is just a pathetic breeder.
And doesn't know much about CSW's.
The latter I can prove through a personal talk at a dog show.
But I think the first two points are a topic worthy to be discussed on this forum, since our breed is unfortunately involved.
What I, as a breeder and lover of CSW's definetely not want is the character and the not counted diseases of many Saarloos Wolfdogs.
Even purebred CSW's are not free of health problems as often written.

Michael

[GalomyOak]

Hello,

Off topic, but in reading the posts, it made me curious - other than the tempermental, and hip dysplasia issues, what other problems are found in the Saarloos?

Thanks,
Marcy

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

Hello,

Off topic, but in reading the posts, it made me curious - other than the tempermental, and hip dysplasia issues, what other problems are found in the Saarloos?

Thanks,
Marcy

Two different kinds of PRA (Progressiv Retina Atrophie), one kind linked with a Cerebellumdegeneration and Epilepsie. All of them rezessiv, what is a problem if there are CSW with crossed in Saarloos because it would be realised quite late.

Ina

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Hi,

sorry folks, but this is a forum for Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs.
I'm more concerned about, although Paul's pics still look disgusting to me, is the fact that Ms Keizer has turned the CSW's coming from her different kennels within 12 years or so into a type of dogs which are hardly CSW's according to the standard. Both in character and phenotype.
Many of them look and behave very Saarlooslike.
Either something happened on purpose or she is just a pathetic breeder.
And doesn't know much about CSW's.
The latter I can prove through a personal talk at a dog show.
But I think the first two points are a topic worthy to be discussed on this forum, since our breed is unfortunately involved.
What I, as a breeder and lover of CSW's definetely not want is the character and the not counted diseases of many Saarloos Wolfdogs.
Even purebred CSW's are not free of health problems as often written.

Michael

hi, yes we can see what happens from this kennel, we have seen the dogs at shows in Europe, major problem because if they are appearing at shows it means they are being REGISTERED AS CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOGS ........being bred from, pups being sold to unweary people , it must be stopped,,,,,,paul

[Joswolf]

Paul, you do not apply to my writing. I still ask myself what your motivation is and who you work with. This SWHclub want's to protect theyr own puppy sale. And as i said a personel vendetta. My organisation is there to protect SWH and hybrides and wolves. I still see no proof. I there for ask myself if it is that bad. And i ask myself what you are doing is this good for the SWH.
Jos

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Hi,

sorry folks, but this is a forum for Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs.
I'm more concerned about, although Paul's pics still look disgusting to me, is the fact that Ms Keizer has turned the CSW's coming from her different kennels within 12 years or so into a type of dogs which are hardly CSW's according to the standard. Both in character and phenotype.
Many of them look and behave very Saarlooslike.
Either something happened on purpose or she is just a pathetic breeder.
And doesn't know much about CSW's.
The latter I can prove through a personal talk at a dog show.
But I think the first two points are a topic worthy to be discussed on this forum, since our breed is unfortunately involved.
What I, as a breeder and lover of CSW's definetely not want is the character and the not counted diseases of many Saarloos Wolfdogs.
Even purebred CSW's are not free of health problems as often written.

Michael

hi Michael, good post, so as i know lots of people see these dogs and they are different, want to know something, i know most of these dogs and all have pedigree and are registered as czechoslovakian or saarloos wolfdogs, this means they will be used to breed to other czechoslovakian and saarloos thus destroying type temperament and health in both breeds,, waken up breeders in europe, these dogs are being bred into our breeds, it is there for all to see just open your eyes, look at the breeders she works with and you see also the non standard dogs, and they are being bred and sold all over europe, paul

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by azazel

Dear (Al) Pacino,

Haha... why.. should SHE.. take YOU to court?
Oh please... i think you give yourself to much credit here....

Maybe it's better not to get yourself involved in slander, and enjoy the dogs you have yourself. There's better ways to spend your time i think.

Best Regards,
Barry

thanks for the advice but if you dont mind i will still go ahead with the legal action in Holland and put an end to this puppy mill and all the other breeders involved with it,, i do enjoy my dogs but at least i know where they were born and registered not like a lot of people who bought dogs from this puppy mill,

[Joswolf]

May be my other writing belongs here.
Paul said,-the saarloos breed is in safe hands,- is this so? Obvious you donot now that the nvSWH dog's allso have other breeds mixt in theyr population. And they breed with genetic sic dogs, proved by medical specialist's. According to them only they can breed SWH's. And all other are mixes. I have SWH from them and since we proved the problems in theyr population we are bad in theyr eyes. They asked RvB to take away our litters papers. But now they had to give it back and say sorry. Just out of hate. Allso the case with C.K. And now you let them use yourself?
Meaning-Paul first seem to support CK and now fight her. And seems te have had contact with Dutch SWH club who allso are not objective. Looks more like a personel vendetta.
Allthough i agree dogs look to skinny. The mud looking dogs say nothing. I have wolves and hybrides and they live outside. When it rains for day's the ground looks wet. That will be the case with Paul's animals aswell.
Where is smoke there is fire. But some people seem to overdue.
I hope the motivation is the well being of the dogs and not to a personel vendetta.
Jos