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[GalomyOak]

Hello,

Off topic, but in reading the posts, it made me curious - other than the tempermental, and hip dysplasia issues, what other problems are found in the Saarloos?

Thanks,
Marcy

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

Hello,

Off topic, but in reading the posts, it made me curious - other than the tempermental, and hip dysplasia issues, what other problems are found in the Saarloos?

Thanks,
Marcy

Two different kinds of PRA (Progressiv Retina Atrophie), one kind linked with a Cerebellumdegeneration and Epilepsie. All of them rezessiv, what is a problem if there are CSW with crossed in Saarloos because it would be realised quite late.

Ina

[Joswolf]

HD is not really an issue, looks like we got it from the TWH. PRA is something what we are working on but with a small population this is not easy. A bigger problem is the inbreed depression, smal litters or no pups at all or dead born puppys.
Jos

[nanouk]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Two different kinds of PRA (Progressiv Retina Atrophie), one kind linked with a Cerebellumdegeneration and Epilepsie.
Ina

HI Ina, do you base that assumption on Garou loup and littermates or do you actually have information from a specialist. If so please name that specialist, this information might be important.
Sofar, all i know is that the SWH shows 2 kinds of PRA, one late onset ,one early onset. The dogs with early onset that i know don't show signs of cerbellumdeg or epilepsie, dito ofcourse for the ones with late onset!

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by nanouk

HI Ina, do you base that assumption on Garou loup and littermates or do you actually have information from a specialist. If so please name that specialist, this information might be important.
Sofar, all i know is that the SWH shows 2 kinds of PRA, one late onset ,one early onset. The dogs with early onset that i know don't show signs of cerbellumdeg or epilepsie, dito ofcourse for the ones with late onset!

I did not write they show signs of cerebellum Epilepsie but of Cerebellum Degeneration. The Epilepsie is seperate of that.
I know that of several breeders and owners from Germany and Holland, the case of Cerebellum Degeneration that I know the owner personally was as far as I remember diagnosed in the University Vet Clinic of the Justus-Liebig-Universität Giessen. Which did a DNA-Research too. I don´t know your dog and I don´t know his littermates , so I can´t tell you if they are one of the problem dogs, but there are more Saarloos than yours or the littermates of your dog. Those problems are openly discussed since a very long time and I am always astonished how few communication there is between the different countries in the Saarloos world and the fights there are between Clubs and breeders or owners. The last thing I was told was that the two PRA types occure seperately in the Dutch Club and the German Club . As a vet I am interested in all news about inherited diseases but as Michael wrote before this is a CSW-Forum not a Saarloos one.

For me those genetic diseases are definitly a reason why I would highly apriciate if we would get proofed informations if the rumours about CSW with Saarloos-blood are right or not. This would give future problems to our breed and though I agree with Jos that it is of no benefit for the Saarloos if Saarloos with CSW-blood would be thrown out of the register am I not thinking that it is the right way to help the health status of one breed on cost of the other breed.

Ina

[nanouk]

I did not write they show signs of cerebellum Epilepsie but of Cerebellum Degeneration.

neither did i
(just rered what i have written)

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My information about the "nebenerscheinungen" in SWh with PRA on a early onset is from this site, or bettter said, the owner C Schroder: http://freenet-homepage.de/whitefang/d0_garou.htm Would be interesting to know if we speak about the same litter or if you know of another case with similair disease pattern!