Epilepsy and wolfdogs!?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by loco

oeps sorry.
But I hope that you copypaste the list .

Back to Topic,

That is mine point exactly, to have peace with "if we can not find anything thene" it will be .......(in this case Primair Epilepsy) .

For myself ( mine dog) I will defintly want I second opinion if not a third a fourth and so on.
I know it is not surtern until there is a DNA, but vets also make mistake's it will defintly not be the first time there is something they missed specialie when you see the list .

Groette Martine.

They say it's the primary epilepsy because it's safe. When they not know the cause and have the possibility to be a genetic disease, it's better not uses this dog on reproduction because the risk.
Supose the vet say that this epilepsy may be not genetic, you make a litter and born puppies with the problem, the vet will be guilty because he was irresponsible.

[Xhrista]

I think epilepsie (and every other ilniss) is genetic,only the way how is the Question.So you must never breed with A dog that have an ilniss.And look good to the other dogs in the line.Thats the only thing you could do.

Gr. Christa

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Xhrista

I think epilepsie (and every other ilniss) is genetic,only the way how is the Question.So you must never breed with A dog that have an ilniss.And look good to the other dogs in the line.Thats the only thing you could do.

Gr. Christa

So, you have a healty dog, this dog receive a strong beat in head by accident, after it he start with seizures time to time and turn in a epileptic dog, this epilepsy will be genetic?!
Really not, this epileptic dog can safelly be used in reproduction and he won't pass the problem, because he not have it in hiis genetic, an accident causes it.

[jmvdwiel]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

So, you have a healty dog, this dog receive a strong beat in head by accident, after it he start with seizures time to time and turn in a epileptic dog, this epilepsy will be genetic?!
Really not, this epileptic dog can safelly be used in reproduction and he won't pass the problem, because he not have it in hiis genetic, an accident causes it.

The question is if someone should want to use this dog, if the dog owner is completely honest about his dog.... I personally would not use this dog... there are enough 'healthy' dogs to use

[Margo]

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

there are enough 'healthy' dogs to use

Are you sure the dogs are healthy? And have no epilepsy? Or maybe the owners do not say the truth?


There was one GREAT dog in Czech Republic - hie had secondary epilepsy. He was many time beaten by the owner with metal rod in the head. He was taken away from the owner and had one litter. The dog died as young dog - the damages were too big. In the last time of his life he had seizures... Now there are already 3 generations with blood of this dog in Czech Republic and other countries. Not even one has epilepsy...

No wonder... Stupid owner is really not a genetic based illness....

[jmvdwiel]

You wil never know if a dog is completely healthy also not if you get al the information from the owner... but I think it is not wise to use a dog with an ilness that is probably hereditary

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

You wil never know if a dog is completely healthy also not if you get al the information from the owner... but I think it is not wise to use a dog with an ilness that is probably hereditary

Yes, but there is the question, you know the dog in this case isn't epileptyc by genetic, but by accident.
I would use without problem if he have interessing line and if I was sure about the truth of the history told by the owner.

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Xhrista

I think epilepsie (and every other ilniss) is genetic,only the way how is the Question.

I was looking for some statistics and found this: before in the most cases the vets classified most cases of epilepsy as idiopathic (it means genetic based). But there were some studies done in Denemark and published in the 'Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine' in June 2008. And the results were:
- 25% of cases were classified as idiopathic - GENETIC based
- 16% as symptomatic (cause unknown)
- 45% as cryptogenic epilepsy (cause unknown)
- in 14% of these a classification was not possible

You can not say about epilepsy as 'genetic' illenes when only 1/4 of the cases have something to do with genetic based reasons...

I agree we must note such cases and not use any dogs where it is not 100% sure the epilepsy is a secondary epilepsy... To be relly sure we can not use any dogs with epilepsy... But it is really not needed to start any witch hunt...