Epilepsy and wolfdogs!?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Xhrista

I think epilepsie (and every other ilniss) is genetic,only the way how is the Question.So you must never breed with A dog that have an ilniss.And look good to the other dogs in the line.Thats the only thing you could do.

Gr. Christa

So, you have a healty dog, this dog receive a strong beat in head by accident, after it he start with seizures time to time and turn in a epileptic dog, this epilepsy will be genetic?!
Really not, this epileptic dog can safelly be used in reproduction and he won't pass the problem, because he not have it in hiis genetic, an accident causes it.

[jmvdwiel]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

So, you have a healty dog, this dog receive a strong beat in head by accident, after it he start with seizures time to time and turn in a epileptic dog, this epilepsy will be genetic?!
Really not, this epileptic dog can safelly be used in reproduction and he won't pass the problem, because he not have it in hiis genetic, an accident causes it.

The question is if someone should want to use this dog, if the dog owner is completely honest about his dog.... I personally would not use this dog... there are enough 'healthy' dogs to use

[Margo]

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

there are enough 'healthy' dogs to use

Are you sure the dogs are healthy? And have no epilepsy? Or maybe the owners do not say the truth?


There was one GREAT dog in Czech Republic - hie had secondary epilepsy. He was many time beaten by the owner with metal rod in the head. He was taken away from the owner and had one litter. The dog died as young dog - the damages were too big. In the last time of his life he had seizures... Now there are already 3 generations with blood of this dog in Czech Republic and other countries. Not even one has epilepsy...

No wonder... Stupid owner is really not a genetic based illness....

[jmvdwiel]

You wil never know if a dog is completely healthy also not if you get al the information from the owner... but I think it is not wise to use a dog with an ilness that is probably hereditary

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

You wil never know if a dog is completely healthy also not if you get al the information from the owner... but I think it is not wise to use a dog with an ilness that is probably hereditary

Yes, but there is the question, you know the dog in this case isn't epileptyc by genetic, but by accident.
I would use without problem if he have interessing line and if I was sure about the truth of the history told by the owner.

[jmvdwiel]

what about a dog that is dysplastic and the owner tell's you that he made a slippery on the smooth surface when he was a young dog ...... would you use this dog also?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

what about a dog that is dysplastic and the owner tell's you that he made a slippery on the smooth surface when he was a young dog ...... would you use this dog also?

We're talking about very different illness.
If you beat the head of your dog, he can hurt his brain enought to have epilepsy for the rest of his life, and this surelly won't be genetic.
At moment I really not believe that exists non genetic displasy even proof me the contrary, I never see a case of non-genetic displasy as nor a good explanation to this, a heavy dog wich pass his life slippering in a smoth surface can have articulation problems that can interfere in hip's results giving a worst results, like a B, but not displasy if he not have it genetically, but, if he already be displasic, the results can get really worst, and this will be genetic anyway.

[Margo]

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

what about a dog that is dysplastic and the owner tell's you that he made a slippery on the smooth surface when he was a young dog ...... would you use this dog also?

No. Smooth surface will cause dyspalsia only by dog which have genetic basis for the HD... You have the same with fat puppies - such puppies and heavy wolfdogs have more % of displatic dogs than wolfdogs in the wolf type (lighter)... We saw also the relationship between the HD results and type of food the dog gets...
But always there is some genetic reason behind it... and I would take it into consideration...

Originally Posted by jmvdwiel

You wil never know if a dog is completely healthy also not if you get al the information from the owner... but I think it is not wise to use a dog with an ilness that is probably hereditary

Look, I'm not agaist you.. I really agree with you - I just follow the DR. House words "I don't ask why dog owners and breeders lie, I just assume they all do"...
No, I will not use such dog... But using healthy one I can never be sure if the dog is 100% healthy and the owner is not hiding some dark facts about his dog...