AKC lowering registration numbers for full recognition from FSS?

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Originally Posted by Vicky

Is there a way to encourage CsV owners in the US to register their dogs? Even if they're just pets, they'd help the cause as it were. I think it'd be something for breeders selling pups to the US, to encourage AKC registration!

That will bring up the age old "quality vs. quantity" debate. I'm sure the quality now is still very high considering the low numbers and control the ethical people have over the breed.

Don't breeders usually register their litters with the AKC?

I also spoke to Fred Lanting about being a vlcak judge in UKC - did he contact you Marcy? He might be a little "gruff" - don't let that scare you, he really is a nice guy.

How many vlcaks are registered with the UKC here in the USA?

Originally Posted by draggar

That will bring up the age old "quality vs. quantity" debate. I'm sure the quality now is still very high considering the low numbers and control the ethical people have over the breed.

If you're going to bring that up in regards to registration, why not bring up the "work vs. show" debate as well? The thing of it is, the AKC is and always will be just a registry. However, it brings with it a lot of validity in the public eye to a breed. It's up to the (future) national breed club to set standards for breeding and where the breed is headed. Honestly, I'm a bit torn in regards to registration just because of the fact you mentioned and the fact that AKC registration draws a lot of the "show" crowd. However, with a breed that is so controversial in a lot of minds, I think full AKC registration should be a goal and at this point in time (i.e. before full registration, with a limited amount of breeders allowing their dogs into the US) the more registration the better until the numbers are up. I mean, chances are good that the dogs being imported are being registered with the FCI anyway, all you would need (if I remember right) is the dog to be in any foreign registry along with at least a 3 generation pedigree, so it shouldn't take too much work (as I understand it) to get an imported dog registered. Marcy, if I'm off, you can correct me.


hahaha I know I'm going back & forth on the subject, but the more I'm writing this out and thinking about it, now, I guess the more important thing than registration would be the forming of a breed club. Maybe more than encouraging people to register with the AKC, breeders should encourage owners to come here and network with OTHER owners in the US! See, it helps to think things out!

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Show vs. work - you bring up a great question. Many breeds you can tell just by looking show dogs vs. working dogs. =IMO it's sad to see dogs just bred for beauty (I think the GSD breed has been damaged so much I consider it abuse in many cases).

Maybe the CsVCA should incorperate into the charter working ability / ethic? It's up to the CsVCA to define the standard (not AKC) and promote working ability. I hear too often from people "well, I'm no one to change the standard so why argue the point?". Well, we ARE the CsVCA and the future of it (Marcy, Vicky, myself, and our partners in crime).

Marcy has put up a site for the club already:
http://www.czechoslovakianvlcak.org/

I think it's time to make the club official. I'm not sure about the registration process (registering it as a not for profit organization, etc.) but maybe we could tap my wife (Sara) about this - she's formed a club before (DOTE) so we can check with her to see what is involved as well as the costs (I don't know if DOTE was just for the state (FL) or national, though). If the costs are too high, then we can wait but we should get it done before someone else jumps in and does it (I think this happened to the shiloh shepherd community and look at what's going on with them now).

I know more costs = we'd have to charge dues but we could charge just enough to cover costs - maybe a little extra for other equipment we may need (meet the breed booth at Eukanuba, funds for rescue, etc..).

I think Marcy has an email list of the vlcak owners in the US (from the rescue email you sent out the other day - did you hear anything back from that?). Maybe we should get them involved and maybe even get a forum up for CsVCA (on Marcy's site?). While vBulliten is very nice (what this site uses) it is expensive - $195 a year for the basic package, $285 for the delux (includes a blog, CMS etc..), there are free options (I've been using SMF on a lot of my sites and it is very nice - not as much is included as vBulliten but it's very good for a free one). I could run the forum if needed.

I've also debating registering vlcakrescue.com before a squatter gets it (I may just go ahead with that today anyway). I know there is no serious need for a site now but I could point it to the csvca site.

Edit: I just registered vlcakrescue.com and vlcakrescue.org (.org domains seem to be more "legit" with uses like this so I'm sure a lot of people will type that in, too).