Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

[mijke]

Originally Posted by Lorry - MLS

knew I was not dreaming and that I had seen red Saarloos, from this breeder, I will not pretend to yesteryear, it is the same as your pictures (or even year) because I simply do not know ....

No Lorry you were not dreaming! I am sorry I did not notice your question before...
I did bring this SWH male to Edit...

Originally Posted by GalomyOak

How did the red color come to be in the Saarloos? Aren't they also crosses of GSD and wolf?

The Saarloos breed is indead just like the Csw based on crossings between Wolf x GSD!
And since the start of the breed red and white pups did appear. Only with the red ones was also breeded. (in Holland this color red is mentionent as “forrest brown” )
And never were made official mixes with nordic breeds!

But maybe (like in all kind of breeds!!) some breeders did cheat and did make “crossings” and did registrate like Saarloos.
SWH colors accepted by breed standard are: Light till dark wolfgrey, light till dark brown (forrest brown), light creme till white . Wolfgrey with black nose, forrest brown with liver color nose, white both color noses are accepted but liver color is to prefer.

A lot about colors of GSD you can find HERE (3 pages and also photo’s)
The saarloos database you can find HERE

[mijke]

The owner of one of the offspring of Fallko Kollarov dvor is willing to cooperate with DNA research Just contact me in private for more info.

[Nebulosa]

Before I was thinking that F Crying wolf could have double parentage, now that we have more informations about a possible accident coming from an forest-brown Saarloos things changed a bit for me.
Dvorak, the brown Saarloos born in 2003 (according to the ShW stats), that turns impossible to F litter have double parentage.
We have S, V and Y Crying Wolf doing weird puppies, S born at 2005, V at 2006 and Y at 2007, all possible years to an accident happen if this Saarloos was there all this time, we could be sure that he was there in 2007 due the photo done by Lorry (???).

If it is so, then would be easier to take samples of these litters (specifically the pups which are showing this problem) and compare with the blood of Dvorak itself.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

If it is so, then would be easier to take samples of these litters (...) and compare with the blood of Dvorak itself.

Probably easier said than done, unless Edit agrees to cooperate.

[yukidomari]

But possible to test if they are half siblings to Dvorek's known Saarloos litters, right? Because at the least they can't share dams.. Assuming they may cooperate.

[Hanka]

Yes, I know, we can use his SAV pups too. But first we ask about help owners of csw. We prefer not mix to this problem other breeds.......
Thanks to people which contacted me with DNA of their dogs, it is nice.
I think it can be interest, if we can know what hapenned.......
If we will have more samples of DNA, we can know more info.
Daniela will do everything what is possible to research.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes, I know, we can use his SAV pups too. But first we ask about help owners of csw. We prefer not mix to this problem other breeds.......
Thanks to people which contacted me with DNA of their dogs, it is nice.
I think it can be interest, if we can know what hapenned.......
If we will have more samples of DNA, we can know more info.
Daniela will do everything what is possible to research.

Thanks Hanka! You are right, that would be the best possible method. Thanks for your explanation.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes, I know, we can use his SAV pups too. But first we ask about help owners of csw. We prefer not mix to this problem other breeds.......
Thanks to people which contacted me with DNA of their dogs, it is nice.
I think it can be interest, if we can know what hapenned.......
If we will have more samples of DNA, we can know more info.
Daniela will do everything what is possible to research.

if need moore example from dogs M z Krotkovskeho dvora only say I can send salive example from this line dogs who we have

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes, I know, we can use his SAV pups too. But first we ask about help owners of csw. We prefer not mix to this problem other breeds.......
Thanks to people which contacted me with DNA of their dogs, it is nice.
I think it can be interest, if we can know what hapenned.......
If we will have more samples of DNA, we can know more info.
Daniela will do everything what is possible to research.

Good Work Hanka !!!

Very best regards / Mikael

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Hanka

We prefer not mix to this problem other breeds.......

I guess it's a quite important problem to worry about "what others will think about", analizing all this topic, the easier and cheaper way to discover if the dogs are mixes of this saarloos or not, would be asking the DNA of Dvorak and making the comparison.
We all prefer not mix CzW problems with other breeds, but seems like in this case, other breeds are getting mixed in CzW breed without we know about, and it could be simply tragic.
We only need to know if there were more Saarloos living there than Dvorak itself.