Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

[Nebulosa]

Before I was thinking that F Crying wolf could have double parentage, now that we have more informations about a possible accident coming from an forest-brown Saarloos things changed a bit for me.
Dvorak, the brown Saarloos born in 2003 (according to the ShW stats), that turns impossible to F litter have double parentage.
We have S, V and Y Crying Wolf doing weird puppies, S born at 2005, V at 2006 and Y at 2007, all possible years to an accident happen if this Saarloos was there all this time, we could be sure that he was there in 2007 due the photo done by Lorry (???).

If it is so, then would be easier to take samples of these litters (specifically the pups which are showing this problem) and compare with the blood of Dvorak itself.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

If it is so, then would be easier to take samples of these litters (...) and compare with the blood of Dvorak itself.

Probably easier said than done, unless Edit agrees to cooperate.

[yukidomari]

But possible to test if they are half siblings to Dvorek's known Saarloos litters, right? Because at the least they can't share dams.. Assuming they may cooperate.

[Hanka]

Yes, I know, we can use his SAV pups too. But first we ask about help owners of csw. We prefer not mix to this problem other breeds.......
Thanks to people which contacted me with DNA of their dogs, it is nice.
I think it can be interest, if we can know what hapenned.......
If we will have more samples of DNA, we can know more info.
Daniela will do everything what is possible to research.

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes, I know, we can use his SAV pups too. But first we ask about help owners of csw. We prefer not mix to this problem other breeds.......
Thanks to people which contacted me with DNA of their dogs, it is nice.
I think it can be interest, if we can know what hapenned.......
If we will have more samples of DNA, we can know more info.
Daniela will do everything what is possible to research.

Thanks Hanka! You are right, that would be the best possible method. Thanks for your explanation.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes, I know, we can use his SAV pups too. But first we ask about help owners of csw. We prefer not mix to this problem other breeds.......
Thanks to people which contacted me with DNA of their dogs, it is nice.
I think it can be interest, if we can know what hapenned.......
If we will have more samples of DNA, we can know more info.
Daniela will do everything what is possible to research.

if need moore example from dogs M z Krotkovskeho dvora only say I can send salive example from this line dogs who we have

[Hanka]

Hello all, thanks to all offers of DNA from all people here. Daniela is so sorry, she can´t continue with this researching, for her personal reasons.

[Priska182]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hello all, thanks to all offers of DNA from all people here. Daniela is so sorry, she can´t continue with this researching, for her personal reasons.

That's really sad

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hello all, thanks to all offers of DNA from all people here. Daniela is so sorry, she can´t continue with this researching, for her personal reasons.

Hmmm... And what is her personal reasan if I may ask ???

She do not want to find out, where when and how ???

Best regards / M

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Yes, I know, we can use his SAV pups too. But first we ask about help owners of csw. We prefer not mix to this problem other breeds.......
Thanks to people which contacted me with DNA of their dogs, it is nice.
I think it can be interest, if we can know what hapenned.......
If we will have more samples of DNA, we can know more info.
Daniela will do everything what is possible to research.

Good Work Hanka !!!

Very best regards / Mikael

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by Hanka

We prefer not mix to this problem other breeds.......

I guess it's a quite important problem to worry about "what others will think about", analizing all this topic, the easier and cheaper way to discover if the dogs are mixes of this saarloos or not, would be asking the DNA of Dvorak and making the comparison.
We all prefer not mix CzW problems with other breeds, but seems like in this case, other breeds are getting mixed in CzW breed without we know about, and it could be simply tragic.
We only need to know if there were more Saarloos living there than Dvorak itself.

[elf]

CSV GSD origin

Originally Posted by Admin

I think it is common mistake because some people do not understand the origin of CsW.

Yes, there are different colours by "new" GSD (because many GSD living now are more or less mixes of different breeds). But it do not aplly to our breed.

By for making Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs were used ONLY WOLFGREY colored German Shepherds:

They were dogs coming from the old DDR lines which were PURE (not mixed with other unknown breeds so there were not liver, merle or any other "strange" colours).

Do not also compare CsW to Saarloos - one more time: the DNA test show that Saarloos are NOT (pure) wolf x GSD crosses. They are crosses of different breeeds - they are not mixes but mutts. It is why you can meet there some really strange dogs with all possible colors. The other breeds were added by Saarloos but also later there was a lot of pedigree cheating by Saarloos breeders.

Till now Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs were free of such cheating. Because of it there are NEVER born any liver, white or black Wolfdogs. Because such genes to not EXIST here. In the 30 years not even one such case was born in the "pure" lines in CZ and SK (and by breeders which breed pure CsW).

So if you see any "strange" Wolfdog the ONLY explanation is that it is nore PUREBREED dog. Not a mutation, not a "genes from the past" - but because of not pure blood added tosuch dog.