Sending a dog to a different continent - Guide for breeders

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Morian

i can only say that european breeders must sign strict contracts with russians which are going to breed csv here - the contract should oblige them to have hd and ed evaluation, dm tests, bonitaion etc. we have no club here, somebody must take care, this is a matter of conscience in the face of the breed we all love and take care of.
we found a way to improve this situation here, but we need the same attitude and support from the european breeders.

But do these contracts work internationally? Even in our own country we sign contracts, that are nearly meaningless For example, usually it is written, what does buyer have to fulfill before breeding a dog, but it does not speak about what will happend if he won't

Do we have any lawyers here?

[Morian]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Do we have any lawyers here?

surely this is not me, so i can't answer your question but i think it's possible to do a contract which would work internationally

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

But do these contracts work internationally?

Nop they do not work internationally and almost not even nationally

The only thing that works are $$$ Let the buyer pay for a HD and ED x-ray when they pick up the puppy and than later pay the money back when they have official results on there dog at 18-24 month of age

Very best regards / Mikael

[Morian]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Nop they do not work internationally and almost not even nationally

at us if we sign such contract - it will work. i mean within russia.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Morian

at us if we sign such contract - it will work. i mean within russia.

OK, but what happens if they deside to breed the dog anyway ???

What can you do ???

Best regards / Mikael

[Morian]

Originally Posted by Mikael

What can you do ???

Best regards / Mikael

my rights and variants of solving of every situation must be written in the contract. maybe i can take my pup back or oblige owners to pay some penalty... but sorry, i don't know more about our law, i'm not a lawyer. and i have no pups for sale

[yukidomari]

Originally Posted by Mikael

OK, but what happens if they deside to breed the dog anyway ???

What can you do ???

Best regards / Mikael

Here contracts within the US work pretty well, though I'd advise the contracts to be drawn up by an attorney to be safe, and notarized when signed.

I know breeders, some of them my friends, that have confiscated dogs from owners that've bred litters against the stipulations of the contract.

But really the only way to make sure that someone doesn't breed a dog against your contract is to spay-neuter before the dogs leave the house. Pediatric spay/neuter can be done on as young as 8 weeks old.

For popular breeds not lacking in genetic diversity this is not a problem, especially for small breeds which don't have large growth plates which are affected by a regular spay/neuter.

Anyway, I'm not an attorney but internationally contracts can be upheld.. but it would depend on how much money you've got to pour into it. Which is why most if not all of the clients we represent are all huge multi-million dollar corporations.

So rationally speaking, international contracts are not enforceable to the average person on the average income.

[saschia]

Originally Posted by yukidomari

So rationally speaking, international contracts are not enforceable to the average person on the average income.

That is what we mean by not valid. Unless I spend I don't what kind of money on lawyers to write a contract and then to make sure it is kept, I don't have a contract that I could really enforce. Even a national one.

[Morian]

Originally Posted by saschia

I don't have a contract that I could really enforce

this is one more reason for breeders to be careful and attentive while choosing owners.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by saschia

That is what we mean by not valid. Unless I spend I don't what kind of money on lawyers to write a contract and then to make sure it is kept, I don't have a contract that I could really enforce. Even a national one.

Yes, this is the thing... So I only use Breeders contract writen by the Swedish Kennel Club, that way they can help whit there lawyers, as I cold newer aford to spend that much money on a dog that was used in a way that was against my private contract...

The rest I take money for in advance, so now it is (free) for my buyers to go get HD and ED x-ray + the Swedish MH-test as I will pay for it whit the money that they did already did pay me when they did pick up the puppy´s

They still do not need to do it, if they do not want to, but they will than just waste there own money

And Noooo lawyer needed for me

Best regards / Mikael