Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

So, I've seen this dog pop up quite a bit when I've looked at pedigrees:

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/1331

Am I crazy, or wouldn't you consider that red? Or is it just because it's an old photo?

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Vicky

So, I've seen this dog pop up quite a bit when I've looked at pedigrees:

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/1331

Am I crazy, or wouldn't you consider that red? Or is it just because it's an old photo?

he not red like are red sarlos - this is big differences.

[Morian]

Originally Posted by Vicky

Or is it just because it's an old photo?

surely it is.



red?

real:

[Morian]

and here we can see agouti red which is impossible in our breed (but possible in saarlos wh)

Originally Posted by martiou07

Thanks for the clarification. I figured there had to be something to it that I was missing! It's really hard when all you have to go on are photos.

[saschia]

Vicky, Tambury was quite dark, you are right, but that was red with a lot of black in it too. The saarloos red is without black and the nose is red/liver which is the best showing that something is very wrong.

[hanninadina]

Sorry, here the pic from the german wolf pup - in red ...

[Jennin Lauma]

Vicky & Christian;

The animals you referred to are not genetically the same kind of "red" as the Saarloos. The animals in the pics you linked have pheomelanin red, and Christian, the puppy could be described as more "pheomelanistic" than average European wolves, -just like the Finnish/Russian "yellow" wolves I showed you.

The Saarloos "red" is not pheomelanin at all, but eumelanin (normally black) switched to brown. It is genetically exactly the same as the brown labrador, but in Saarloos it is just combined with the agouti coloring.
When the dog has this genotype bb for brown eumelanin, then ALL the black pigment in the animal turns brown. -Not just the hair, but skin too!

And you can clearly see that the animals in your pictures have BLACK nose & lips etc. They cannot be genetically bb (brown) like the forrest brown Saarloos and the dog born into Lorry's litter.

I recommend you go back in this topic and find my previous posts where I allready explained this. And I might even have shared some photos of the "pheomelanistic" FinnoRussian wolves.

(Edit) I helped you out and looked it up for you. Here:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...2&postcount=34

[whitefang]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Sorry, here the pic from the german wolf pup - in red ...

with a BLACK nose - not brown or lever! That is the difference as "Jennin Lauma" wrote! It is simply genetic, but some breeders seem not to know about this...