Saarloos mixes by "Crying Wolf" kennel (CSV red colored)

hanninadina · 20-07-2011, 20:10

Sorry, here the pic from the german wolf pup - in red ...

Jennin Lauma · 20-07-2011, 22:37

Vicky & Christian;

The animals you referred to are not genetically the same kind of "red" as the Saarloos. The animals in the pics you linked have pheomelanin red, and Christian, the puppy could be described as more "pheomelanistic" than average European wolves, -just like the Finnish/Russian "yellow" wolves I showed you.

The Saarloos "red" is not pheomelanin at all, but eumelanin (normally black) switched to brown. It is genetically exactly the same as the brown labrador, but in Saarloos it is just combined with the agouti coloring.
When the dog has this genotype bb for brown eumelanin, then ALL the black pigment in the animal turns brown. -Not just the hair, but skin too!

And you can clearly see that the animals in your pictures have BLACK nose & lips etc. They cannot be genetically bb (brown) like the forrest brown Saarloos and the dog born into Lorry's litter.

I recommend you go back in this topic and find my previous posts where I allready explained this. And I might even have shared some photos of the "pheomelanistic" FinnoRussian wolves.

(Edit) I helped you out and looked it up for you. Here:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...2&postcount=34

admin · 08-09-2011, 02:04

Are there any news on this topic? Any DNA tests?

whitefang · 08-09-2011, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Sorry, here the pic from the german wolf pup - in red ...

with a BLACK nose - not brown or lever! That is the difference as "Jennin Lauma" wrote! It is simply genetic, but some breeders seem not to know about this...

monita · 08-09-2011, 18:08

If everybody just speaks, but nobody does anything against it, nothing will change.

20-07-2011, 22:37	#2
Jennin Lauma Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Finland Posts: 66	Vicky & Christian; The animals you referred to are not genetically the same kind of "red" as the Saarloos. The animals in the pics you linked have pheomelanin red, and Christian, the puppy could be described as more "pheomelanistic" than average European wolves, -just like the Finnish/Russian "yellow" wolves I showed you. The Saarloos "red" is not pheomelanin at all, but eumelanin (normally black) switched to brown. It is genetically exactly the same as the brown labrador, but in Saarloos it is just combined with the agouti coloring. When the dog has this genotype bb for brown eumelanin, then ALL the black pigment in the animal turns brown. -Not just the hair, but skin too! And you can clearly see that the animals in your pictures have BLACK nose & lips etc. They cannot be genetically bb (brown) like the forrest brown Saarloos and the dog born into Lorry's litter. I recommend you go back in this topic and find my previous posts where I allready explained this. And I might even have shared some photos of the "pheomelanistic" FinnoRussian wolves. (Edit) I helped you out and looked it up for you. Here: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...2&postcount=34 __________________ -Jenni- http://jenninlauma.weebly.com Last edited by Jennin Lauma; 20-07-2011 at 22:43. Reason: Link added

08-09-2011, 02:04	#3
admin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 583	Are there any news on this topic? Any DNA tests?

08-09-2011, 18:08	#5
monita Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 3121 Somoskőújfalu Somosi út 161. Posts: 37	If everybody just speaks, but nobody does anything against it, nothing will change.