Wolf Dogs Being Crossed in the UK

[Butterfly]

There are kennels in the UK who claim to have Saarloos (and I have heard CWD) and they cross them with my chosen breed. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this? Personally I think the Wolfdogs should be left as they are, as should my breed, I see no reason to cross the dogs.

[Flinch]

Originariamente inviata da Butterfly

There are kennels in the UK who claim to have Saarloos (and I have heard CWD) and they cross them with my chosen breed. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this? Personally I think the Wolfdogs should be left as they are, as should my breed, I see no reason to cross the dogs.

My 2ct : Neven cross breed the Czw and Saarloos. Keep the bloodlines pure, do not make them into bastards. These 2 breeds are totally different dogs. Looks maybe somewhat the same, but characters are very different. I like my dogs with the typical Czw face, small ears, more lively and spontanious. The breeders have worked for decades to create these great dogs as they are, so anyone the messes things up should not be called a thouroughbred breeder, but an amature!

[Mikael]

Cs Wolfdog is a working dog, Saarloos is not, I can se the problem in the UK, where the breeds are half baned and x-crossings are not...

But I do not think mixing Cs Wolfdog and Saarloos will do the Cs Wolfdog good. but maby it will do the Saarloos a better and more healthy breed...

The mix however might bee a good dog, but not necessarily...

Regards / Mikael

[Butterfly]

Thanks for your input.

[solowolf]

Originariamente inviata da Mikael

Cs Wolfdog is a working dog, Saarloos is not, I can se the problem in the UK, where the breeds are half baned and x-crossings are not...

But I do not think mixing Cs Wolfdog and Saarloos will do the Cs Wolfdog good. but maby it will do the Saarloos a better and more healthy breed...

The mix however might bee a good dog, but not necessarily...

Regards / Mikael

hi the law in uk has been changed after 6 yrs hard slog with defra here is link to new law, you will see CvS is legal dog in uk. http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-cou...waa/hybrid.htm
there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS with any other breed of dog inc saarloos, both breeds are good dogs within there own rights and cross breeding them serves no purpose at all, there are enough cross breds and to a more serious point there are enough cross breds who have been registered in Europe and have pedigree papers,,,,,,,,, and with major health problems, it has mostly affected the saarloos breed but when i look at some CVS that have appeared recently in posts then it looks like some have made it to pedigree status as well,,, sad but true, i have seen some CVS cross in uk and europe and they are beautiful dogs but thats as far as it should go, people trying to register such dogs as pure breds and trying to get pedigrees for such should be banned from breeding. pacino uk

[bengan]

Originariamente inviata da solowolf

there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS with any other breed of dog inc saarloos, both breeds are good dogs within there own rights and cross breeding them serves no purpose at all, pacino uk

Paul ..so you are against cross breeding the CVS with any BREED of DOG... how about with a wolf ...would that still be a crossbreed.?
I have seen some pictures of puppies on your website .. correct me if I am wrong.. who's father is a CVS and the mother is not... so your statement is kind of contradictory.. but I would love to hear your explanation...

bengan

[solowolf]

Originariamente inviata da bengan

Paul ..so you are against cross breeding the CVS with any BREED of DOG... how about with a wolf ...would that still be a crossbreed.?
I have seen some pictures of puppies on your website .. correct me if I am wrong.. who's father is a CVS and the mother is not... so your statement is kind of contradictory.. but I would love to hear your explanation...

bengan

oh no not you again ///// now your personal vendetta against me is going on... and as you dont own any CVS and your interest is in the Saarloos, and you live in northern Holland,,,,, are you on the correct web site? or are you infact not friend of Mrs C.Keizers ??? i have just looked at all your posts, Glad i didnt trust you with the CD thats for sure, as they are all set out to make little of me and breeders in u.k., you read correct i have never and will never cross any of my CVS with any other breed of DOG,,, so how am i being contradictory? you do understand english? look up contradictory,, maybe your vendetta is because what i and friends from the RADD do to certain saarloos dogs bred in France? anyway no doubt i will get another silly reply, feel free your giving us a good laugh in u.k. if nothing else,,,,,,,,,,pacino

[solowolf]

Originariamente inviata da bengan

Paul ..so you are against cross breeding the CVS with any BREED of DOG... how about with a wolf ...would that still be a crossbreed.?
I have seen some pictures of puppies on your website .. correct me if I am wrong.. who's father is a CVS and the mother is not... so your statement is kind of contradictory.. but I would love to hear your explanation...

bengan

hey you have seen photos on my web site, good healthy, fit, well fed dogs, want to see some of the cross breeds from France and some of the effects cross breeding has just click this link and be my guest
http://www.saarlooswolfhonden.nl/index2.html with this type of thing happening to what you state MY INTERESTS the SAARLOOS WOLFHOUND dont you think your time would be better spent trying to stop this.......... its not my breed but i can assure you i will put stop to this, p.s. most of these dogs are registered as pure Saarloos,,,,,,pacino

[solowolf]

Originariamente inviata da Butterfly

There are kennels in the UK who claim to have Saarloos (and I have heard CWD) and they cross them with my chosen breed. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this? Personally I think the Wolfdogs should be left as they are, as should my breed, I see no reason to cross the dogs.

hi butterfly, yes there are saarloos in uk and cwd and in the same kennels, but you know this as do we all for they openly advertise it in papers and on the net, but your choosen breed is also made up of at least 2-5 other breeds of dogs so i was just wondering what breeders of the breeds you have used to cross breed the dogs you have think of it ????

people who live in greenhouses should not throw stones,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

pacino u.k.

[solowolf]

Originariamente inviata da Nebulosa

Repeating matings is different to use a stud.
Omar z krotkovskeho dvora was used in a different data in pretty different conditions for the breed.
I don't agree with his use in this way, I don't agree with the fact that people had use so much some studs as Rep Z pohranicni Straze and Omar z Krotovskeho dvora, when at the same time some dogs with different bloodlines get lost in the time because hole litter of lonely mate die without get used in the breed.
But things change and now we have more dogs than at past, more females and more breeders, surelly the number of the litters per dog, principally a famous one will increase, if we compare with the past it will seems even stupid and bad for the breed.
In this topic we are mixing somethings as if it is equal, its a wrong think.
One thing is repeat ever the same litter, it surelly decrease the genetic pool of the breed as the clone litter have no value for breeding, another thing is you use a stud with you know have good bloodline and pass good characteristics one time or with different females and don't repeat again these litters, you do it knowing and waiting good genetic, another thing is you blindly use a male because shows or working titles.

I really don't see problems in dogs like Carr Maly Bysterec or Baron Spod Dumbiera and others like that, wich have made some different litter with some different females in different countries, theyr blood is speeled over world, not all dogs from these mates are used in breeding, some pet dogs and maybe one or two dogs of these litters will get used at breeding, these dogs we all know pass some good qualitys for its offsprings, turning better the quality helping with the breed evolution as well.
The females mated with this dog probably won't repeat ever the same litter with him, even because he is from different owner and sometimes not soo much well common, and well... the owners study the line for make this litter and commonly they find another so interessant dog for mate in next litter, so you will be able to see the blood of this female with some different males, if you want you will use the blood of this female with the blood of this well common dog or not.
No wonder if in about 5 years we have some linebreedings on these dogs with the will to increase a little bit the amount of blood of these dogs in the specific litter, that's happen and is common in all breed.

At other side we have the hiper show well-know titled dogs, wich everyones uses it sometimes blindly because the titles that will help then to sell the litter, not only have him as father but make huge inbreedig and line breeding in this dog, another times without any knowledge about its genetic they make litters with the think that: "if this dog is good and titled, he will makes good litters", and, when you have a hyper used dog, neophites will see only good dogs winning at shows or at the magazines, and will think "this dog is good" without have knowledge that of these 2 good dogs, this same stud made about 50 bad ones wich are almost hiding with owners as Pet, and maybe will appear one good soul wich will study the pedigree of this dog, his offsprings and will see if this dog will be good or bad if mate with his female.

And so, we have here the good character of the stud owner, you as owner will let your dog be used in repeated mates? with females with bad bloodline for him? or let him make inbreeding using him with his daughter?
here enter the good sense and the money question, if someones only care for money, he will let his stud be used for who paid, if the owner have alittle bit og good sense, he will think twice before do that.
This concience will avoid the problems that we can see at south america with dobermann breeding, almost all dobermanns have one dog in line or inbreeding, barely you find dogs that's at least far away of this dog, that's happen becahse this dog was good and the owner surelly don't care much or don't had think about the future of the breed, and let this dog be over used by other breeders, the dog is good, pass good genetic and is pretty know and well titled. For you people had idea about the think of th eowner, the dog is death at more than 5 years and still make litters as father... tecnology rules.

your tecnology was not much use when you insulted me and the breeder of my timber wollf calling it a HYBRID ,,,,,, you can talk the talk but if you cant tell a pure wolf when you see one i wouldnt bother with breeding at all,,,,,, pacino

[Nebulosa]

Originariamente inviata da solowolf

your tecnology was not much use when you insulted me and the breeder of my timber wollf calling it a HYBRID ,,,,,, you can talk the talk but if you cant tell a pure wolf when you see one i wouldnt bother with breeding at all,,,,,, pacino

Sorry pacino but she is a timber wolf only in your imagination, not long time I saw the webpage of the breeder you bring her, breeder of high content hybrids, its not wolf.

[Bugle]

O yes she is ... pure 100% wolf.

[elf]

http://www.cypresscreekwolves.com/upcominglitters.html

[Nebulosa]

Whats about round little ears?


If you don't know is even difficult for zoos take pure wolves.

[Bugle]

Originariamente inviata da elf

http://www.cypresscreekwolves.com/upcominglitters.html

What is the point you are trying to make ?

[Mikael]

Here you can fight about wolf or not wolf !!! NOT on "offspring´s" PLEASE !!!

Regards / Mikael

[solowolf]

Originariamente inviata da Mikael

Sorry, wrong topic

Regards / Mikael

sorry mikael this was ment for Nebulosa bit of problem with telling difference between wolf and wolf hybred, to much technology not enough experience,,,,,,,, pacino

[Nebulosa]

Originariamente inviata da solowolf

sorry mikael this was ment for Nebulosa bit of problem with telling difference between wolf and wolf hybred, to much technology not enough experience,,,,,,,, pacino

I'm sure you have alot of experience with your wolfdogs living at cages.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Hi Paula,

a lot of these crazy wolf hybrid breeders use wolf pictures to attract future puppy buyers.
The more they look like wolves and the higher the content, the higher the price.
You cannot trust any of them. It's a business. And sometimes weird Indian and wilderness romantic.

Best regards,
Michael

[solowolf]

Originariamente inviata da Nebulosa

I'm sure you have alot of experience with your wolfdogs living at cages.

there u go again smart a.. i own a wolf park pacino