Wolf Dogs Being Crossed in the UK

solowolf · 12-10-2008, 23:54

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Napisał Mikael

Cs Wolfdog is a working dog, Saarloos is not, I can se the problem in the UK, where the breeds are half baned and x-crossings are not...

But I do not think mixing Cs Wolfdog and Saarloos will do the Cs Wolfdog good. but maby it will do the Saarloos a better and more healthy breed...

The mix however might bee a good dog, but not necessarily...

Regards / Mikael

hi the law in uk has been changed after 6 yrs hard slog with defra here is link to new law, you will see CvS is legal dog in uk. http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-cou...waa/hybrid.htm
there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS with any other breed of dog inc saarloos, both breeds are good dogs within there own rights and cross breeding them serves no purpose at all, there are enough cross breds and to a more serious point there are enough cross breds who have been registered in Europe and have pedigree papers,,,,,,,,, and with major health problems, it has mostly affected the saarloos breed but when i look at some CVS that have appeared recently in posts then it looks like some have made it to pedigree status as well,,, sad but true, i have seen some CVS cross in uk and europe and they are beautiful dogs but thats as far as it should go, people trying to register such dogs as pure breds and trying to get pedigrees for such should be banned from breeding. pacino uk

bengan · 12-11-2008, 00:37

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Napisał solowolf

there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS with any other breed of dog inc saarloos, both breeds are good dogs within there own rights and cross breeding them serves no purpose at all, pacino uk

Paul ..so you are against cross breeding the CVS with any BREED of DOG... how about with a wolf ...would that still be a crossbreed.?
I have seen some pictures of puppies on your website .. correct me if I am wrong.. who's father is a CVS and the mother is not... so your statement is kind of contradictory.. but I would love to hear your explanation...

bengan

solowolf · 12-14-2008, 22:44

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Napisał bengan

Paul ..so you are against cross breeding the CVS with any BREED of DOG... how about with a wolf ...would that still be a crossbreed.?
I have seen some pictures of puppies on your website .. correct me if I am wrong.. who's father is a CVS and the mother is not... so your statement is kind of contradictory.. but I would love to hear your explanation...

bengan

oh no not you again ///// now your personal vendetta against me is going on... and as you dont own any CVS and your interest is in the Saarloos, and you live in northern Holland,,,,, are you on the correct web site? or are you infact not friend of Mrs C.Keizers ??? i have just looked at all your posts, Glad i didnt trust you with the CD thats for sure, as they are all set out to make little of me and breeders in u.k., you read correct i have never and will never cross any of my CVS with any other breed of DOG,,, so how am i being contradictory? you do understand english? look up contradictory,, maybe your vendetta is because what i and friends from the RADD do to certain saarloos dogs bred in France? anyway no doubt i will get another silly reply, feel free your giving us a good laugh in u.k. if nothing else,,,,,,,,,,pacino

bengan · 12-14-2008, 23:33

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Napisał solowolf

oh no not you again ///// now your personal vendetta against me is going on... and as you dont own any CVS and your interest is in the Saarloos, and you live in northern Holland,,,,, are you on the correct web site? or are you infact not friend of Mrs C.Keizers ??? i have just looked at all your posts, Glad i didnt trust you with the CD thats for sure, as they are all set out to make little of me and breeders in u.k., you read correct i have never and will never cross any of my CVS with any other breed of DOG,,, so how am i being contradictory? you do understand english? look up contradictory,, maybe your vendetta is because what i and friends from the RADD do to certain saarloos dogs bred in France? anyway no doubt i will get another silly reply, feel free your giving us a good laugh in u.k. if nothing else,,,,,,,,,,pacino

First of all ... All I've done was question your statements.. the ones you made here...so these is the place to post questions.. questions that you have never answered.. and for Mrs Keizer... most people in the wolfdog world know or know of her.. she is not however on my Christmas card list..

my English is not bad...here a definition for you...
Crossbreed..."offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties or breeds or species." so crossing a CVS with anything other then an other CVS, say a wolf, would be a crossbreed.. hence.. your contradiction in statements.."there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS" your words... and yet per definition you have crossbred the CVS

I'm glad you are laughing.... and you are not alone....

Bengan

solowolf · 12-14-2008, 23:49

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Napisał bengan

First of all ... All I've done was question your statements.. the ones you made here...so these is the place to post questions.. questions that you have never answered.. and for Mrs Keizer... most people in the wolfdog world know or know of her.. she is not however on my Christmas card list..

my English is not bad...here a definition for you...
Crossbreed..."offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties or breeds or species." so crossing a CVS with anything other then an other CVS, say a wolf, would be a crossbreed.. hence.. your contradiction in statements.."there is no excuse for anyone in u.k. to be cross breeding the CVS" your words... and yet per definition you have crossbred the CVS

I'm glad you are laughing.... and you are not alone....

Bengan

did one of the breed clubs in Europe breed CVS to wolf? did they register pups? ask them /

bengan · 12-15-2008, 11:55

it's a shame you consider my questions and your lack of or unwillingness to give answers as a vendetta...

Do you know the story "The scorpion and the frog"..?
somethings are as they are.. just as some people are as they are..and one can't expect them to change..
So I've given up expecting you to ever back up any of your claims or make public your "evidence" or even look at yourself before passing judgment on others..
There is no doubt that you care and know a lot about wolfdogs..just some of your ways/means and or motivations are questionable.. however I do wish you all the best with your "wolf like" dogs.
After all ..it's about the animals..and not the people..

Bengan

Nebulosa · 12-15-2008, 16:20

So, crossbreed for you is only with other dogbreeds, and how we name cross CzW with a Timberwolf Hybrid like seems you have done?

Mikael · 12-15-2008, 17:52

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Napisał bengan

After all ..it's about the animals..and not the people..

Bengan

I totaly agree !!!

And mixing a CsV whit a wolf or a hybrid is in my eyes more wrong then to mix a CsV whit a dog !!!

Regards / Mikael

solowolf · 12-16-2008, 02:31

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Napisał bengan

it's a shame you consider my questions and your lack of or unwillingness to give answers as a vendetta...

Do you know the story "The scorpion and the frog"..?
somethings are as they are.. just as some people are as they are..and one can't expect them to change..
So I've given up expecting you to ever back up any of your claims or make public your "evidence" or even look at yourself before passing judgment on others..
There is no doubt that you care and know a lot about wolfdogs..just some of your ways/means and or motivations are questionable.. however I do wish you all the best with your "wolf like" dogs.
After all ..it's about the animals..and not the people..

Bengan

oh dont take it to heart i have a sick sense of hummour even my mum dosent like me, i am private person and i like to breed dogs o.k. i dont breed alot 3 litters in 6 yrs,but i enjoy and love my dogs a lot ,now dont you go giving up on me after all this time i know its been slow, i dont often do this but just for you on line for all to witness, I R.WINDER GIVE YOU MY WORD THAT ALL I STATED REGARDING DE LOUBA TAR IS TRUE, IF NOT I WILL GIVE YOU ALL MY CWS, i have sent cd to Dutch memmber of this site as it is all in dutch,,, so it should be with this person tommorow or next day, i will then ask this person to send you private mail to confirm my facts...... now if you have time i will share with you my work with my wolf and my CWS dog Soli and show my work and what i have achieved and it will i hope change the way others remove cubs from the mother wolf at 10 days old, one breeder in USA has agreed to try it in 2009 useing low content wolfdog male, for example i take one pup from Kizzy at 10 days for 5 mins, she is o.k. next day i take 2 pups for 5 mins, she is ok, next 3 pups kizzy is out looking for them serching the compound, next day i leave it, then following i take all cubs, frantic behaviour,, going crazy, so i hurry in and reunite her with the pups, i never do this again ever, but i have to do this as i read most breeders do this, i have to see what reactions from wolf are, these breeders treat wolf as if it is dog, i remind them wolf has pups, but unlike dog wolf pups remain with mother and in pack, some may even spend rest of life in same pack as mother, so it is not normal for the pups to sudenly disapear, the stress caused to the wolf is unbelivable and it is barbaric for people to do this just because they want to have wolf that excepts humans.. i prove with help of SOLI CWS it can be done different way and cause less stress on wolf,, i still dont believe all pups should go , so i keep two and let them grow up with mother, i will keep them with her and maybe if i breed again or when they are lots older i can remove them,, i watch them everyday playing and watch her teach them things, how can people call themselves wolf lovers when they deprive the mother of all this. horrible people.. i will send you photos,, by the way i never cross my CWS with any breed of dog ever. pacino

Mikael · 12-15-2008, 17:36

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Napisał solowolf

did one of the breed clubs in Europe breed CVS to wolf? did they register pups? ask them /

Just because they did, do not make it right for whomever to mix hybids at home

Sad regards / Mikael

Margo · 12-17-2008, 12:47

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Napisał solowolf

did one of the breed clubs in Europe breed CVS to wolf? did they register pups? ask them /

Yes, and no... Some people broke many regulations and hidding the real information they registered them. But all this crossings (3 dogs) has been banned by the Czech CzW Club.
Sure after it one of the crossing has been registered in the biggest Italian kennel and the breeder registered it as "CzW" and breed with this dog but ALL offsprings of these dogs are banned by the Slovakian CzW Club - the breeders in the country which is patron of the breed. There are so many cheats which call themself "CzW bredders" but register and breed dogs which are NOT Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. And some Kennel Clubs allow registering mixes (not only canadian wolf mixes but also husky-german-shepherd dog-something mixes and Saarloos mixes) the breed club in the origin country want to achieve so that at last in Slovakia there will be only PURE Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. And so far I know Czech CzW Club will join them too...

Mikael · 12-17-2008, 20:44

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Napisał Margo

And some Kennel Clubs allow registering mixes (not only canadian wolf mixes but also husky-german-shepherd dog-something mixes and Saarloos mixes) the breed club in the origin country want to achieve so that at last in Slovakia there will be only PURE Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. And so far I know Czech CzW Club will join them too...

Register as what ??? CsV

Which clubs

Regards / Mikael

solowolf · 12-14-2008, 23:09

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Napisał bengan

Paul ..so you are against cross breeding the CVS with any BREED of DOG... how about with a wolf ...would that still be a crossbreed.?
I have seen some pictures of puppies on your website .. correct me if I am wrong.. who's father is a CVS and the mother is not... so your statement is kind of contradictory.. but I would love to hear your explanation...

bengan

hey you have seen photos on my web site, good healthy, fit, well fed dogs, want to see some of the cross breeds from France and some of the effects cross breeding has just click this link and be my guest
http://www.saarlooswolfhonden.nl/index2.html with this type of thing happening to what you state MY INTERESTS the SAARLOOS WOLFHOUND dont you think your time would be better spent trying to stop this.......... its not my breed but i can assure you i will put stop to this, p.s. most of these dogs are registered as pure Saarloos,,,,,,pacino

12-15-2008, 16:20	#7
Nebulosa Moderator Zarejestrowany: Oct 2004 Skąd: Rio Grande do Sul Postów: 1,334	So, crossbreed for you is only with other dogbreeds, and how we name cross CzW with a Timberwolf Hybrid like seems you have done? __________________

12-15-2008, 11:55	#6
bengan Junior Member Zarejestrowany: Jan 2008 Skąd: Amersfoort Postów: 28	it's a shame you consider my questions and your lack of or unwillingness to give answers as a vendetta... Do you know the story "The scorpion and the frog"..? somethings are as they are.. just as some people are as they are..and one can't expect them to change.. So I've given up expecting you to ever back up any of your claims or make public your "evidence" or even look at yourself before passing judgment on others.. There is no doubt that you care and know a lot about wolfdogs..just some of your ways/means and or motivations are questionable.. however I do wish you all the best with your "wolf like" dogs. After all ..it's about the animals..and not the people.. Bengan