What kind of dog is this - mixes by Passo del Lupo?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

I am just curios because the object came up at the German Forum, Sangria was shown on the CACIB in Stuttgart last weekend, is there something new about the Alaska Problem?

Ina

[z Peronówki]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I am just curios because the object came up at the German Forum, Sangria was shown on the CACIB in Stuttgart last weekend, is there something new about the Alaska Problem?

Alaska's problem...? I think we can say it openly because it is already open secret that the Alaska do not exists and it is just another name of Ave Lupo Mutara - illegal mix which has beeen banned by the Czech and Slovakian CzW clubs and her owner saw the only chance to breed her in Italian rules which allow to breed with every mutt...

Anyway the story goes on... and it will move to higher official level of FCI. Beside of it the clubs in origin countries have some good ideas how to fight with such unwanted dogs of unknow origin.... More info will follow I hope soon...

But I hope also that the people and puppy buyers will have more responsibility than the mentioned breeders and nobody will buy such mixes or breed with them... It will be also risky for them because if any steps will finish with succes not only breeders of the mixes but also ALL their offsprings will be punished...

But I have another question about the LAW: could you tell me how it looks in Italy...? American Wolves are on the CITES list. And also Italy signed the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora. It is in this country allowed to keep offspring of protected breeds without ANY permissions? So far I know in many countries it is simply forbidden... ILLEGAL...

[massimo]

Originally Posted by Margo

Alaska's problem...? I think we can say it openly because it is already open secret that the Alaska do not exists and it is just another name of Ave Lupo Mutara - illegal mix which has beeen banned by the Czech and Slovakian CzW clubs and her owner saw the only chance to breed her in Italian rules which allow to breed with every mutt...

Anyway the story goes on... and it will move to higher official level of FCI. Beside of it the clubs in origin countries have some good ideas how to fight with such unwanted dogs of unknow origin.... More info will follow I hope soon...

But I hope also that the people and puppy buyers will have more responsibility than the mentioned breeders and nobody will buy such mixes or breed with them... It will be also risky for them because if any steps will finish with succes not only breeders of the mixes but also ALL their offsprings will be punished...

But I have another question about the LAW: could you tell me how it looks in Italy...? American Wolves are on the CITES list. And also Italy signed the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora. It is in this country allowed to keep offspring of protected breeds without ANY permissions? So far I know in many countries it is simply forbidden... ILLEGAL...

nono, you need permission of course...if somebody proves you have a wolf or wolf hybrid with you...

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

As far as I know is it possible to proof via DNA-Test if a European or American wolf was crossed into a dog. Can´t the ENCI be forced to order a Test on Alaska?

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

As far as I know is it possible to proof via DNA-Test if a European or American wolf was crossed into a dog. Can´t the ENCI be forced to order a Test on Alaska?

Hmm, would not they have to proove first, that Alaska is in fact Ave Lupo Mutara? And how they are going to proove that? We all "know" that´s how it is, but for the law you need hard facts.
Not to mention, that Ave Lupo Mutara (I suppose) does not live in Italy, does she?

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

As far as I know is it possible to proof via DNA-Test if a European or American wolf was crossed into a dog. Can´t the ENCI be forced to order a Test on Alaska?

Just curious, off topic, but this comment made me wonder...how does CSW's DNA appear in a test - is the wolf blood from many generations ago evident in the test? Or does the DNA reflect mostly , or only a dog's DNA? I am aware of the closeness in genetics between dogs and wolves. I'm thinking more in legal terms, if a court tried to argue a CSW as a hybrid.

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

I know that you can proof that there is Karpatian Wolf in CSW (must be over maternal DNA), you sure can´t say which generation but you can differ from American wolves. We had a case in Germany with a litter of Saarloos with crossed in CSW. The VDH could dictate a DNA-Test for parents just because of a rumor.
If you can proof that there is American Wolf and not Karpatian you wouldn´t need Alaska. And I am quite sure that the ENCI can order it without real proof. I just don´t think they will do it when they are not forced to.

[massimo]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

I know that you can proof that there is Karpatian Wolf in CSW (must be over maternal DNA), you sure can´t say which generation but you can differ from American wolves. We had a case in Germany with a litter of Saarloos with crossed in CSW. The VDH could dictate a DNA-Test for parents just because of a rumor.
If you can proof that there is American Wolf and not Karpatian you wouldn´t need Alaska. And I am quite sure that the ENCI can order it without real proof. I just don´t think they will do it when they are not forced to.

Michael...you know what?? maybe Enci would like to have a request from the ITALIAN CLUB about it....
HAHAHAHAHA!


massimo