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[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Joyce

This is wat I have said:
I think that mw. Keizer is not up to mass production to sell CWS to make a profit. Every money she get from selling a CWS is always going back in to the kennel. And if she was, than there will be not as many dogs as Paul let believe us in her kennel.

Following what you have written, she is breeding to earn money to keep an enormous amount of dogs. No matter if there are 119 of them, she definetly has a lot more than the normal amount of a hobby breeder. And dogs cost quite a lot of money if you keep them properly. If this would be true I know several stories like hers from my work in an animal-shelter, they always end up with the police getting the dogs out of incredible circumstances and an animal-shelter full of dirty and ill dogs. And you are right those people don´t have that many dogs, only about three times what they can cope with.
Out of my personal experiences does what you write make things worse and Paul´s story more reliable.

And she needs money for herself too, so there is an easy way to find out if she produces puppies for a living. Maybe somebody here who seems to know her well can tell us what job she has to make up for her own needs, her profession shouldn´t be a personal secret.

Ina

[Joyce]

No breeder is just a breeder for hobby. You always get money from selling a dog with a pedigree. It depends only what you do with the money.

[wolfin]

When 49 or 119 dogs living in kennel not in house like house animal, i thinks this is't loving animal, but producent from money.
loving animal living with hes family in house not in kennel and see people when eating or have puppies.
one american breeder and judge say "good family and good breeders and owners CANN thake hes love and care only from 5 dogs, if dogs is moore owner not have thime from each dogs. "

[Joyce]

Originally Posted by wolfin

When 49 or 119 dogs living in kennel not in house like house animal, i thinks this is't loving animal, but producent from money.
loving animal living with hes family in house not in kennel and see people when eating or have puppies.
one american breeder and judge say "good family and good breeders and owners CANN thake hes love and care only from 5 dogs, if dogs is moore owner not have thime from each dogs. "

Having 49 or 119 dogs says nothing about if you love these dogs ore not, nor does living in kennels instead or your home says nothing about if you love your dogs or not. And off course you can give more time to the dogs if you have only 5.
But it still does not say anything over the love for your dogs. Even if you are a breeder for money (which in my opinion is every breeder, otherwise you only have dogs for your hobby and does not sell any pup which is born in your litter) you still love every dog I'm sure!

[Wolfsirius]

... And there is a huge different, if you are working outside home for 8 hours, or if you are not. If not, you could have from 8 to 10 hours more time to your dogs, so i think, amount of dogs is not possible count on "american style", always have to look things on both sides.

-Suski

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

... And there is a huge different, if you are working outside home for 8 hours, or if you are not. If not, you could have from 8 to 10 hours more time to your dogs, so i think, amount of dogs is not possible count on "american style", always have to look things on both sides.

-Suski

Yes, and if you work 8 hours a week and no member of your familiy is at home you shouldn´t breed and think about having dogs at all, but if you have to live of your dogs you depend on low breeding costs and many litters.

Ina

[Azazel]

Big fuss about nothing i think...
It rained.. an they look dirty.. duhh....!

They are skinny? ... i think nowadays dogs are to fat and that's the reason that there is HD. Ive seen dogs that where far worse than these ones... what are we talking about for godsake.....?

Why are we not talking about the puppy factory's in belgium for instance... These people are the real problem.

I think this topic is not about the dogs of Corrie but more about the quirrel that mr Al Pacino has with Mrs. Keizer, Why else wait for so long to the this matter to the forum..

Best Regards,

Barry Rokven

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Joyce

No breeder is just a breeder for hobby. You always get money from selling a dog with a pedigree. It depends only what you do with the money.

If you have few dogs and go to Clubshows and Bonitations in other countries, if you work them, give them good food, give them their vaccinations and wormtreatments and vetcare and especially if you look for your mating partners internationally and have to drive some thousand kilometers and stay in a hotel for 1-2 weeks you will find out that 1-2 litters a year won´t earn the money you need for your dogs. Especially if you count the time till you can breed the dog or the times the bitch didn´t get a litter and so on.
If you have a lot of dogs and don´t bother to take foreign studs, never go to bonitations, to clubshows in other countries and all the stuff that helps you to find the best pairings but most puppy-buyers don´t care for, you can earn money with several litters a year. Especially because several breeders out of the country of origin and most puppy-buyers don´t realize what´s going on. You will sooner or later have ugly dogs that don´t fit the standart and depending on the genetic facts of the parents you always use they may have dysplasia quite often, but who cares.

Ina

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Especially because several breeders out of the country of origin and most puppy-buyers don´t realize what´s going on.

Ina

Sorry, of course I meant several breeders that are not out of the countries of origin.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Following what you have written, she is breeding to earn money to keep an enormous amount of dogs. No matter if there are 119 of them, she definetly has a lot more than the normal amount of a hobby breeder. And dogs cost quite a lot of money if you keep them properly. If this would be true I know several stories like hers from my work in an animal-shelter, they always end up with the police getting the dogs out of incredible circumstances and an animal-shelter full of dirty and ill dogs. And you are right those people don´t have that many dogs, only about three times what they can cope with.
Out of my personal experiences does what you write make things worse and Paul´s story more reliable.

And she needs money for herself too, so there is an easy way to find out if she produces puppies for a living. Maybe somebody here who seems to know her well can tell us what job she has to make up for her own needs, her profession shouldn´t be a personal secret.

Ina

hi Mrs Keizer does not work, and did not work all time i was there, i know she does not work for many years from talking to friends of hers but as you know i only give facts, all the time i was there only money from Holland and pups for income, paul