Saarloos on 'Dogs Today' magazine

[Wolfsirius]

"you will not be able to show your dog again,, there are many people who will have this problem very soon, i hoppe you are not one of them, paul "

Paul; TO SHOW DOG AGAIN?? I think, if things are like you said, showing dogs (or not showing anymore) is smallest problem then.

I think many people have same questions, like i have; Why you do all this now? If you knew before, why now? If you were there as all "illegals" has happened, why you did not do anything, or open your mouth then?

This is not the most important, what i wanna say to you.
BUT:
Please, remember, as you attack C. Keizer, you attack hole saarlos wolfhond as a breed. If you want to destroy C. Keizer, what will happen to Saarloos Wolfhonds? There is quite many SWH , where is "louba-tar" in pedigree. By attacking Keizer, you attack in fact against the breed, this case. I am quite sure, that must happened something really bad, (between you and C.K) as you will take this all "in daylight" now.

-and one question more, what is your benefit in this case?

-Suski

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

"you will not be able to show your dog again,, there are many people who will have this problem very soon, i hoppe you are not one of them, paul "

Paul; TO SHOW DOG AGAIN?? I think, if things are like you said, showing dogs (or not showing anymore) is smallest problem then.

I think many people have same questions, like i have; Why you do all this now? If you knew before, why now? If you were there as all "illegals" has happened, why you did not do anything, or open your mouth then?

This is not the most important, what i wanna say to you.
BUT:
Please, remember, as you attack C. Keizer, you attack hole saarlos wolfhond as a breed. If you want to destroy C. Keizer, what will happen to Saarloos Wolfhonds? There is quite many SWH , where is "louba-tar" in pedigree. By attacking Keizer, you attack in fact against the breed, this case. I am quite sure, that must happened something really bad, (between you and C.K) as you will take this all "in daylight" now.

-and one question more, what is your benefit in this case?

-Suski

you say i attack mrs Keizer, i attack hole saarloos wolfhound as breed, i have seen all of the saarloos at de louba tar kennels and lots more from breedings, so how many are true saarloos? the saarloos breed is in safe hands, oh yes there are lots of so called saarloos with de louba tar in pedigree because you see thats were lies all the problems, the breed suffers from lots of health problems that have arrisin over the years, the saarloos from france begin to look like another breed this has been noticed at shows by many and for many years now, i have photos of saarloos and registered as saaloos that look nothing like a ssarloos in any way at all, also seen by lots at shows,, nothing bad happend betwwen myself and mrs Keizer, it was a result of what i discoverd going on , i reported all i knew to the club and was asked to be patient as other investagations were going on, there are plenty of true bred saarloos and the breed is in no danger, as for myself my saarloos have never been bred from all are castrated and living in new family homes enjoying life,,, i hope maybe one day to own a pure bred saarloos, there is a problem in the saarloos breed but not all is responable to mrs Keizer , paul

[Wolfsirius]

Ok. Thank you for info, Paul.

-Suski

[nanouk]

Originally Posted by pacino

you say i attack mrs Keizer, i attack hole saarloos wolfhound as breed, i have seen all of the saarloos at de louba tar kennels and lots more from breedings, so how many are true saarloos? the saarloos breed is in safe hands, oh yes there are lots of so called saarloos with de louba tar in pedigree because you see thats were lies all the problems, the breed suffers from lots of health problems that have arrisin over the years, the saarloos from france begin to look like another breed this has been noticed at shows by many and for many years now, i have photos of saarloos and registered as saaloos that look nothing like a ssarloos in any way at all, also seen by lots at shows,, nothing bad happend betwwen myself and mrs Keizer, it was a result of what i discoverd going on , i reported all i knew to the club and was asked to be patient as other investagations were going on, there are plenty of true bred saarloos and the breed is in no danger, as for myself my saarloos have never been bred from all are castrated and living in new family homes enjoying life,,, i hope maybe one day to own a pure bred saarloos, there is a problem in the saarloos breed but not all is responable to mrs Keizer , paul

Boah Paul, such a long posting, and not a minute time to answer my Q, my q that has risen from your offer to give me more info about the pedigree of my SWH ?
Kinda sad!

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by nanouk

Boah Paul, such a long posting, and not a minute time to answer my Q, my q that has risen from your offer to give me more info about the pedigree of my SWH ?
Kinda sad!

hi i will not be posting anything about your pedigree for your or mrs Keizers benifit , i am more concerned with helping people who really dont know what they have as a so called saarloos, if there are any problems with the pedigree or the registration then you will know at same time as everyone else, it will then be made clear to whoever is concerned by the breed club and the FCI,, paul

[nanouk]

Originally Posted by pacino

hi i will not be posting anything about your pedigree for your or mrs Keizers benifit , i am more concerned with helping people who really dont know what they have as a so called saarloos, if there are any problems with the pedigree or the registration then you will know at same time as everyone else, it will then be made clear to whoever is concerned by the breed club and the FCI,, paul

What BS Paul, You offered info, info that i didn't ask you for!
Now you come with a lame excuse that it would benifit me to find out what you have to say? It would benifit Corrie?

Never heard sucha load of crap! (excuse the language)

I am fully aware of some rumours, but still 100% believe i own a Saarloos, not only in appaerance, but also in temperament, movement etc...
If you have facts that say otherwise Ii would take them very serious, and take actions accordingly!

[Joswolf]

Paul said,-the saarloos breed is in safe hands,- is this so? Obvious you donot now that the nvSWH dog's allso have other breeds mixt in theyr population. And they breed with genetic sic dogs, proved by medical specialist's. According to them only they can breed SWH's. And all other are mixes. I have SWH from them and since we proved the problems in theyr population we are bad in theyr eyes. They asked RvB to take away our litters papers. But now they had to give it back and say sorry. Just out of hate. Allso the case with C.K. And now you let them use yourself?
Jos

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Joswolf

Paul said,-the saarloos breed is in safe hands,- is this so? Obvious you donot now that the nvSWH dog's allso have other breeds mixt in theyr population. And they breed with genetic sic dogs, proved by medical specialist's. According to them only they can breed SWH's. And all other are mixes. I have SWH from them and since we proved the problems in theyr population we are bad in theyr eyes. They asked RvB to take away our litters papers. But now they had to give it back and say sorry. Just out of hate. Allso the case with C.K. And now you let them use yourself?
Jos

hi you say also the case with mrs Keizer, i think you refer to a dna test done some years back? if so then i know of this and know how mrs Keizer produced the results, this will not happen this time i assure you, as for the nvswh i do not know of there breeding stock, i know there is problem with saarloos breed and that gene pool is not great, more reason that dogs with faults are removed from any breeding programe, i do not own any saarloos now, my dogs are in good homes with close friends and will not be bred from, it is very important to this breed that dogs with genetic problems are removed, epilepsy, dwarfism and pra are getting to common and we know some of the source where these problems have came from, it will need to be removed, and will be soon, i will not be used by anyone and i sent the information to them asking for help, they in turn asked me things which they had heard but had no evidence of, i give the evidence they needed as did 12 other people, what dog did you own that they asked for the pedigrees to be with drawn, ? you can send me private email and if i have any info on your dog or dogs i will post to you, i have collected mass of information on the saarloos breed over last 4 years from many people and breeders and many not connected to nvswh, regards paul

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by nanouk

What BS Paul, You offered info, info that i didn't ask you for!
Now you come with a lame excuse that it would benifit me to find out what you have to say? It would benifit Corrie?

Never heard sucha load of crap! (excuse the language)

I am fully aware of some rumours, but still 100% believe i own a Saarloos, not only in appaerance, but also in temperament, movement etc...
If you have facts that say otherwise Ii would take them very serious, and take actions accordingly!

it may very well benifit mrs Keizer as i think she has forgotton a lot of her breeding, your dog was born in France at corries former home at Gorney-ne-bray in normandy, so how come your dog has dutch registration? did you pick up your dog from France or Holland? if in Holland i bet you didnt see the bitch? or did you collect at show,,,,or one of corries many address in Holland? but your dog was most definately born in France. your dog is of no interest to us as he is retired as you told me, so best let sleeping dogs lie, if you wish to persue the matter as soon as we are informed by the authorities or fci and breed club
then i will pass the evidence on to you via legal means then you can deal with this yourself, and confront mrs Keizer, regards paul

[nanouk]

That my boy has retired from showing (after having won numerous BOB's , BOS etc and been judged Excellent also by judges trained more or less by NVSWH) doesn't mean I won't be able to breed him, or would be interested to know where your accusations derive from. Like i Said, presented with evidence, i take proper actions!

Again you come with unfounded assumptions, stirring away from the fact that so far you only talk, but show for nothing, offer information , but back out with silly excuses after you did a background check on my person..


Guess i will wait for your "proof" , hope i will live to see that day, am already in my 30's and sofar i know the dutch breed club has been making assumptions about the breeding of CA keizer for as long as i live....