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Have you do DNA tests in he before use? About the hip degrees I find in OFFA site the differents hip registries used in some countries, that includes UK, but being this site international and CzW a FCI breed is better change the UK registries for FCI, that means A1 or A2 as all breeders and owners do. Quote:
If is for we be assured by the fotos so, this low quality photo of Brix bix De Louba Tar seems that maybe he have long ears insert at side of the head, with a curious head format, maybe because the position of this photo his body seems more a potatoe with 4 toothpick... ![]() ![]() ![]() Quote:
Won't that be a problem for you and for the breed in Uk? ![]() Greetings Paula |
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Paul, I had a look at your website. If I´m right Defra still refuses the CzW to be removed from the "dangerous wild animal act".
So you are breeding dogs who have to be kept in the U.K. as dangerous wild animals? I couldn´t find photos of your CzW and pups inside your home. Do you only keep them outside? Princesse is the mother of the third litter in the U.K.? A CzW who unfortunately could not get much socialisation when she was a pup because she always had to be hidden from Defra? And last but not least: you keep a timberwolf among your CzW??? Might be better to give the answers myself - with your words "funny old place the U.K." Angelika |
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Paul, it seems that you have a changeable point of view when it becomes the breed Louba Tar. First you start a smear campain against the breeder Louba Tar, and although your pictures showed skinny dogs in a mudpool, they are not abused and beaten, so what was all your hysteria about?! There is much worse and really horrifiying animal suffering to make a stand for.
And now you openly make fun of someone who has a ligitimate question about the Louba Tar breed. There ARE serious rumours about mixes between Saarloos and CsW at Louba Tar, and you HAVE a descendent from Louba Tar with whom you breed, so maybe there is some risk with that, because in the worst case your dog could contain some Saarloos blood. You can't denie that. You talk like you are the CsW-Einstein here, but you have a funny way of showing it: using photos as proof for the breeding ![]() greetings Monique
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Lost their mother too soon, hidden from Defra - proper socialisation of puppies indeed. It´s not my fault when you forget your own words. - For me: end of discussion. Angelika |
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Then how can you be sure that Brix was born from the parents indicated in the papers if, accordintg to your earlier statements, breeding at de LT was lousy? Take no offence, I'm just asking in an attempt to find any logic in all that. |
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Or do you really believe with 34 yrs of experience in breeding you can proof with a picture of a suposed mating that you have a purebred litter. ![]() DNA testing is not expensive, with the SWD in Germany all dogs will be tested in the future, non german breeders are already cooperating, and in Holland it is getting more regular as well, though not with cooperation fro the RvB and mentioning of tests on pedigrees like in germany I remember reading on the kennelclub website that they do these test as well. If you do care for maintaining and safeguarding a breed, dna testing is a much more logical step than taking pictures, and i hope more CWD owners will start doing dna test on all litters as well! (and not abuse the rather childlike excuse that when others don't do it they don't feel the need as well) |
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mr r winder cwcuk station farm station road kent tn262dg england.. we at the czechoslovakian wolfdog club uk are very greatful for people like you who are concerned with dogs we have bought and used from europe and now we wait in anticapation on the dna results for brix bis de louba tar the club will also pay for any other dna test you wish done on any of our dogs from europe or dogs we have used, if the money is required up front please send amount and details and we will do immediate transfer, thank you regards mr r winder on behalf of the CWC u.k |
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hi, as you can see we have asked nanouk to contact the breeders of our founder stock and stud dogs to ask for dna tests, our club will pay for all vet bills, what more can we do to help, we trust the people in europe, who bred our dogs, we trust the people whos stud dogs we use, we used one dog who carried the de louba tar affix but is bred from dogs not of de louba tar lines, we trust the person present at matting which produced brix, we health test all our dogs, we now have premission from local councils to keep our dogs with no licence ////,, that has taken 6 yrs, we keep record of all breedings so when breed gets recognition we can have kc pedigrees, we keep photos of matings and for the benifit of NANOUK we dna all dogs,, just Nanouk never asked , but we dont need to tell all we do, when my bitch was mated in Holland Koos filled in all the proper forms and registered the mating even though the pups where born in uk. it was still done correct, for the benifit of Nanouk tomorrow i will put copy of uk kennel club registration for my first litter, it was not the clubs fault our dogs where removed as many keep reminding us about in there arrogant mails, sad some people still think its funny,,,,, so now our club give Nanouk the oppertunity to get dna tests on all dogs we bought from and used from europe, our club pays for it all, then no one has any need to question our dogs, further more any time we decide to get or use dog from europe we will of coarse give Nanouk oppertunity to get dna for us and again we pay for all, what more can our club do to help, best regards paul
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hi i know where brix came from and i know he is from the dog and bitch on his pedigree, but to keep you and others happy we ask nanouk to get dna test on brix who is at de louba tar kennels our club will pay for all, we know what went on at the de louba tar kennels, hence i used brix,,, we await results, paul
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Hi Paul,
Do you test your breeding dogs for HD? I couln'd find any HD results here on wolfdog.org which got me a little bit curious.
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The reason why i'm asking is that my dog Shadow has HD-D rating which is not that great as you can imagine, and when i look at his breeding lines i see the name Brix Bis de Louba Tar come popping up.
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hi all our breeding dogs are tested for h/d ,they have eye test Every year is required in uk, we hip score at 2yrs of age, the dog is mature by then, some people hip score younger but our club decided 1 yr or 18 mths is not old enough, all test results can be sent if required, paul
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people adding comments to this thread also have no h/d test results on wolfdog.org, all breeding dogs in u.k are h/d and eye tested. as are the stud dogs we use in europe.. paul
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But i don't know why I should arrange dna testings? I asked a simple q following on one of your statements.. (as a remimder, this one: Quote:
If you want dna testing done on dogs, you can if you have doubts, go the official way by contacting the kennelclub, which you , with all your experience should have known, and not via a privat person like myself, who is not even involved in breedclubs or anything! Furthermore, i don't see the need of mentioning other breeders,when a q is directed to you, i did not insinuate anything, certainly did not judge your breeding, cause i have never been at your kennels or have seen your dogs other than in pictures and stoeries deliverd by others and certainly, unlike some others, won't spread unbased rumours !! What i personally do frown apon is breeding dogs without official FCI papers, same as the promise that those dogs will one day will be registered.. But that is MHO |
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