CsW's in Greece?

Nebulosa · 04-02-2008, 18:54

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Originally Posted by nicholas

I would like your help on the following. I am interested to mate Tristan and i have no idea if there are any CSWs in Greece. I have read the names here on the forum and i was wondering if any of these dogs is a female. I would like to have the contacts of the owners and call them to see if anyone is interested in mating his/her female wiht Tristan.

And what about first test the hips and elbows to see if the dog is able to be a stud dog?
Maybe a working exam or something like that for test the behaviour of the dog as BH maybe Sch1 seeing that in Greece not have the Bonitation?
Isn't like "I have a male you have a female, lets mate", you first must know if your dog is able to be used as stud.
After that you need know if have some experienced owners prepared to have a CzW at home in greece case female owner not want stay with all puppies as future pet.
Normally the owner of the females contact the owner of the stud dog for mate, maybe if you going to dogshows and do these exams some females owners wo're interested in breed will contact you for a mate.

Greetings

Paula

michaelundinaeichhorn · 04-02-2008, 19:09

And you should get informed what you need to breed with pedigrees. To produce litters without pedigrees is no good idea.

nicholas · 04-02-2008, 21:37

I would like to make clear that i do not intend to become a breeder.
I want to mate my dog just for him to feel better due to his urges. I have absolutely no intention of selling the puppies. I will find people who want them to give them away for free.
As you understand i do not want to reproduce champions. Instead of mating Tristan with another breed i am trying to see if there is any female in Greece who's owner might be interested. If not i will see what i will do. The idea of sterilizing Tristan is out of the question.

michaelundinaeichhorn · 04-02-2008, 22:23

This is the worst thing you can do to a breed and the most egoistic.

Ina

loco · 04-02-2008, 22:38

I'm really shocked.

This stuppid idea's

,is why the animalshelter is always full.

nicholas · 04-02-2008, 22:54

O, let's suppose that i agree with you. Give me an idea as to how am i supposed to deal with such an issue. I am open to ideas

loco · 04-02-2008, 23:46

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Originally Posted by nicholas

O, let's suppose that i agree with you. Give me an idea as to how am i supposed to deal with such an issue. I am open to ideas

I think you have much more problems with the idea ,that your dog has to live without sex

.
Than your dog have

Vaiva · 05-02-2008, 11:34

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Originally Posted by nicholas

O, let's suppose that i agree with you. Give me an idea as to how am i supposed to deal with such an issue. I am open to ideas

What kind of "issue" do you mean?

Nebulosa · 05-02-2008, 21:07

Nicholas, you don't need to be a breeder for use your male as stud, often the stud owners aren't breeder but common people, you only need see if your dog is able to be a stud dog or not, if all right, the owners of the females will contact you interested in mate

If you're interested in make your dog a stud, why not start showing he in dogshows? Only for fun, in dogshows you meet some people who love dogs, you show your dog and some possible future CzW breeder in greece can see that you have a beautiful male and be interested in use him, you can learn a lot about dogs and change information with people (normally breeders, owners and handlers) that are in the dogshow, as they can help you in find a good professional for train your dog solving the bite problem and also for help you to teach your dog and prepare him for pass at least one working exam.
When he have 18 months, go to one vet officially able to make the Displasy X-rays of elbows and hips, I guess the kennel club can help you to find the nearer "official" vet for you have these exams done.
If everything be all right, if he don't have problems in elbows or hips, if he pass some working tests (proving he have good character), then you will have a stud dog.
That isn't easy, but can be a wonderful experience for a dog owner.

wolfin · 04-02-2008, 23:00

If You will breed mas have reproductors sertificat. Greece IS FCI members and all reguls is whe have others countrys.
but if Ypu will make Yours dogs from boys -to man, this is stupid ideas-You latter have BIGEST problems with hes temperament and living, not have yet.

yes, stupid ideas

GalomyOak · 05-02-2008, 02:24

I am curious how you can be so concerned with how Tristan "feels" because of his urges, but how you can have no concern for the health and wellbeing of his potential progeny should you breed him only to alleviate his sexual urges. Without hip dysplasia results, how could you ensure the puppies would have the best possible chance of not suffering from painful joint problems? Results are no guarantee, but it is obviously cruel, and a bad decision to breed with a dog that has bad results. And what about temperment issues? If you yourself are having behavioral problems with your own puppy that you are unable to 100% manage, how could you be helpful to the people that you "give" the puppies to if they have the same problems? What would happen to the puppies if the new owners decided that they were too much to handle - shelters, or worse, euthanasia? As you know for sure by now, CsVs have very unique needs and traits than other breeds- our dog's breeder has been wonderful in answering our questions, and helping us to help our puppy adjust to her new family. Could you sleep comfortably at night knowing a portion of the CsVs in your country lived lives in pain or in animal shelters because of your desire to give your dog a sex life? I hope not...

Vaiva · 04-02-2008, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicholas

I would like to make clear that i do not intend to become a breeder.
I want to mate my dog just for him to feel better due to his urges. I have absolutely no intention of selling the puppies. I will find people who want them to give them away for free.
As you understand i do not want to reproduce champions. Instead of mating Tristan with another breed i am trying to see if there is any female in Greece who's owner might be interested. If not i will see what i will do. The idea of sterilizing Tristan is out of the question.

"I want my dog to have sex and feel happy" - is this what you think?

But this is totally wrong, it will be only worse for your dog and for you. In wild nature not all the wolfs get a possibility to mate and so what? They live their happy lifes without that, I am sure Tristan would also feel ok

Wolfdog Lover · 05-11-2013, 18:05

Geiasou Nikola psaxno na iothetiso ena pup yparxoun ektrofeis stin ellada na m protineis i telospanton ksereis pos mporo na apoktiso ena dioti exasa ton diko mou apo astheneia kai tora niotho kai pali etoimos na apoktiso ksana enan CWD kai thelo na vro kalo ektrofea na paro kalo skili xoris genetika problimata kai na ypoferoume opos ypefera me to proigoumeno m moro.

04-02-2008, 22:38	#5
loco Non active. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Outside, walking the dog. Posts: 2,873	I'm really shocked. This stuppid idea's,is why the animalshelter is always full.

05-02-2008, 21:07	#9
Nebulosa Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rio Grande do Sul Posts: 1,334	Nicholas, you don't need to be a breeder for use your male as stud, often the stud owners aren't breeder but common people, you only need see if your dog is able to be a stud dog or not, if all right, the owners of the females will contact you interested in mate If you're interested in make your dog a stud, why not start showing he in dogshows? Only for fun, in dogshows you meet some people who love dogs, you show your dog and some possible future CzW breeder in greece can see that you have a beautiful male and be interested in use him, you can learn a lot about dogs and change information with people (normally breeders, owners and handlers) that are in the dogshow, as they can help you in find a good professional for train your dog solving the bite problem and also for help you to teach your dog and prepare him for pass at least one working exam. When he have 18 months, go to one vet officially able to make the Displasy X-rays of elbows and hips, I guess the kennel club can help you to find the nearer "official" vet for you have these exams done. If everything be all right, if he don't have problems in elbows or hips, if he pass some working tests (proving he have good character), then you will have a stud dog. That isn't easy, but can be a wonderful experience for a dog owner. Last edited by Nebulosa; 05-11-2013 at 22:46. Reason: correcting grammar.

04-02-2008, 23:00	#10
wolfin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Where the wolf lives Posts: 6,095	If You will breed mas have reproductors sertificat. Greece IS FCI members and all reguls is whe have others countrys. but if Ypu will make Yours dogs from boys -to man, this is stupid ideas-You latter have BIGEST problems with hes temperament and living, not have yet. yes, stupid ideas __________________

05-11-2013, 18:05	#13
Wolfdog Lover Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Cyprus Posts: 3	hi Geiasou Nikola psaxno na iothetiso ena pup yparxoun ektrofeis stin ellada na m protineis i telospanton ksereis pos mporo na apoktiso ena dioti exasa ton diko mou apo astheneia kai tora niotho kai pali etoimos na apoktiso ksana enan CWD kai thelo na vro kalo ektrofea na paro kalo skili xoris genetika problimata kai na ypoferoume opos ypefera me to proigoumeno m moro.

04-02-2008, 19:09	#2
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	And you should get informed what you need to breed with pedigrees. To produce litters without pedigrees is no good idea.

04-02-2008, 21:37	#3
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	I would like to make clear that i do not intend to become a breeder. I want to mate my dog just for him to feel better due to his urges. I have absolutely no intention of selling the puppies. I will find people who want them to give them away for free. As you understand i do not want to reproduce champions. Instead of mating Tristan with another breed i am trying to see if there is any female in Greece who's owner might be interested. If not i will see what i will do. The idea of sterilizing Tristan is out of the question.

04-02-2008, 22:23	#4
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	This is the worst thing you can do to a breed and the most egoistic. Ina

04-02-2008, 22:54	#6
nicholas Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47	O, let's suppose that i agree with you. Give me an idea as to how am i supposed to deal with such an issue. I am open to ideas

05-02-2008, 02:24	#11
GalomyOak Howling Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 436	I am curious how you can be so concerned with how Tristan "feels" because of his urges, but how you can have no concern for the health and wellbeing of his potential progeny should you breed him only to alleviate his sexual urges. Without hip dysplasia results, how could you ensure the puppies would have the best possible chance of not suffering from painful joint problems? Results are no guarantee, but it is obviously cruel, and a bad decision to breed with a dog that has bad results. And what about temperment issues? If you yourself are having behavioral problems with your own puppy that you are unable to 100% manage, how could you be helpful to the people that you "give" the puppies to if they have the same problems? What would happen to the puppies if the new owners decided that they were too much to handle - shelters, or worse, euthanasia? As you know for sure by now, CsVs have very unique needs and traits than other breeds- our dog's breeder has been wonderful in answering our questions, and helping us to help our puppy adjust to her new family. Could you sleep comfortably at night knowing a portion of the CsVs in your country lived lives in pain or in animal shelters because of your desire to give your dog a sex life? I hope not...