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[Margo]

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

Neither is our duty to send you photos and informations about our dogs, is it. So if we do something for you, you have to do something for us.. Sorry that´s how it works.

Mirka - I think nobody is so naive to say that breeders and owners send us photos, information, litter advertisments and show results to make US happy... To help US...
NO! They do it because they profit from it - in different ways... They aleady profit that the web site exists.... They have the chance to show their dogs, achievements and daily life with dogs...
So sending photos and informations about your dogs is no your duty or something what you do for ME. You do it for YOURSELF!

Sure we are happy Wolfdog.org is getting bigger and developing. Also thanks to people which make something not only for themself but also for others. There are people who help us sending information not only about their own dogs. And they make it voluntarily. They never complain, they never criticize or scold someone. They just help...

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

Yes, I have problems with the photos. Other people have problems with not added litters, dog show results and other informations.

So it is our DUTY, right...?
You know - I think we are the only people on Wolfdog which will never give up... But there were so many people which were helping us before but they stopped. Why? Exactly because the attitute of some people "YOU MUST DO THIS! IT IS YOUR WORK! You are the MODERATOR! HURRY UP!".

Please really STOP IT. We lost about 5 moderators because of it... I hope we will not loose more... Remember WE and other MODERATORS are people which make something voluntarily. Everyone of us has private life, own dogs and own problems. And people have to respect it. If someone do not agree with it - there are two solution:

1) Nobody is forced to use Wolfdog.... Everybody has free will...

...OR...

2) There is a great rule not only in the internet: YOU GET WHAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR.
What you pay for Wolfdog? NOTHING. What you can expect.....? So ENYTING is done here by moderators or administrators is just BONUS...

If we will all decide we want someone who will answer ALL questions very fast, will talk to all people and sit whole day adding the information - no problem. We can make a fund and employ computer technician who will sit here 8 hours a days, 5 days a week... But I'm affraid if the people which are so loud now will be prepared to add to this fund even 100 EUR every month...

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

And you know very well, that I am not the only person, who has troubles with photos stolen, or lets call it taken from their website without permission. When we used to co-operate with WD and submit photos for you through the painfully difficult and elaborated process, we were getting numerous e-mails from people, who did not send photos to you (or Wolfdog.org) and yet photos from their kennels were appearing in the galleries.

No, Mirka. Again it is not true. If we get information any photos are published without asking the author for permission they are removed VERY FAST. It is VERY EASY way: it is enough to send us URL of the photo and the photo will dissapear. Who tried it saw it is working very fast. So again: copy URL -> email to WOLFDOG -> photo REMOVED

Even if this topic is published, even if there are rules for publishing photos there willbe ALWAYS cases copyrighted photos will appear in the galllery. Why - because as I wrote - it is not possible to see who took the specific photo... So the only way is to write us when someone will see HIS OWN photos (taken by HIMSELF) which was published without his permission...

But remember I'm not a fairy - if I get a information "some photos of my dogs must dissapear because they were published without my persmission" I will not remove them besause HOW should I know WHICH photos should we remove. The other problem is: people want sometimes to remove photos taken by someone else. They do not understand they CAN NOT ask for it because they are not the "onwners" of the photos...

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

Yeah. Nothing so good as beating the poor owners of the dogs, who send you copyrighted photos. Good job.

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf

By the way you act though, it is not me who is beaten up on your decision, but the poor owners of dogs, who sent you copyrighted and therefore APPROOVED pictures

?!?! I do not understand you. First you are calling me a thief because I added some copyrighted photos added by the people. Now you are attacking me because I removed them...? HOW should I see which photos you APROOVED? And which not? If I will leave some photos which were not added by you how can I be sure you will not call me a thieft next week?????

OK, I leave it... It really shows the whole photos-gate is just a pretext... I do not care for the hidden reason - I know them already... So please we can concentrate on the problem with the photos. Some owners were so king to send us links to more copyrighted photos with your logo and we removed them. If you same there a some more please send me the URLs and I promise you the will be also removed immediately...

[Gaga]

Margo - my advice is: remove all signed Mirka’s photos, and if Mirka wants she may always send back some of them, selected by her and everything will be OK. I don’t see any problem.
The photos that are not signed are put into base according to principle: I give to the base to be used by other people. This is our common good, done by us for and for us.
As long the base exists thanks to people sending photos spontaneously it is interesting and reliable. In Poland we owe most to Przemek. It was him who put thousands of pictures made by him into the database. He didn’t sign them but thanks to him we had lots of photos of wolfdogs in natural movement.Why?

The more new owners there are in Poland the more photos we have in the dadabase, but few years ago only Przemek made them.
I’m happy he does not ask to remove his photos , because the first years of shows, camps and trainings would be empty
If somebody thinks that his photos need advertising on the forum or that they are too good for us I think we will survive this.
But the best pictures are the document the dogs on the move and in action. And we have loads of them, so we’ll survive without a few signed.

[Vaiva]

Mirka, in this case you are totally wrong. We should all thank Perons for this page and a wonderful database, and not keep saying "do it faster", "wy don't you answer my e-mails", etc. I can imagine how much time it takes to take care of the wolfdog.org and it is not the way to earn a living...

[Mirkawolf]

As I said before, I do not wish to continue quarreling and haggling here with Margo.
However I would like to explain few things about my photos. Because it is really all about the photos, nothing else in the pocket.
I do the photography semi-profesionally and very often I get paid for taking the pictures. If I am giving pictures to people for free to use them on various public sites or their website, I always put my copyrights on them. The meaning of the copyright is - the photo was made by this and this person and like that nobody can say, they did the photo themselves. You could see my photos on websites of various dog breeds or private dog sites, but always with copyright.
If you buy expensive equipment to make photos and you do spend time and effort on making good photos, you do want to protect your pictures that go online by copyrights from being used on various e-card services, virtual stables etc. This happens often, if the photo is not copyrighted and it is quite annoying, having other people claiming your work as theirs or even making money on it.
I will always put copyrights on photos that I give to people for free. It is normal and every serious photographer does that.
If they are buying the photos in the form of prints, naturally there is no copyright over the photo and the customers can use it as they wish. They get for what they paid.

Now, my photos with copyrights, which are on Wolfdog.org, were never problem - because they have the copyrights and many of them were actually photographed for Wolfdog.org and with the purpose of being used in the database. Funny enough, Margo even helped to organise the photo shoot on the summer camp in Lazne Belohrad, so that every dog got photographed.
Taking them down now does not make sense to me, but at the end of the day, it does not really matter to me.

My problem was with the not-copyrighted photos that I did, put online on my private Picasa albums and that appeared mysteriously on Wolfdog.org. I think the reasons why I want these down, is sort of clear from what I mentioned about the reasons why I put copyrights on my pictures. I specified which photos these are in my e-mails to Margo and in my messages to her. I do not know, how many times to say this and if it will ever be understood.

If you still wish to be helping taking down my copyrighted photos, feel free to do that. There is no reason for it and never was, but of course, it is on your free will.

Mirka

[Gaga]

So put ALWAYS your copyright on your photos and you will have no problems It's your problem to sign yours photos. Margo can't know which are yours and which aren’t when other people send her photos to add to the gallery, she told you that!
I can't imagine Margo looking through all the photos in base and asking "who made this"
I hope, you don't want to say that Margo was taking your photos from your Picassaweb?
You must take care about work, not someone else.

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by Gaga

I hope, you don't want to say that Margo was taking your photos from your Picassaweb?
You must take care about work, not someone else.

That is exactly what I am saying. And I am not obliged to put copyrights on every photo, that I put on my private albums. That´s why they are private.
That a photo is online somewhere, does not mean automatically that anyone can go, copy it and use it as he wishes.
Btw. all photos that I do, are copyrighted, because embedded in the file they carry metadata and informations about the author and how they were taken. Only most of people do not know this, so if I INTEND to give photo for public use, I put big visual copyright so that people get it.

[Gaga]

Each picture has an EXIF, but only original When you change something in photoshop- this signature disappears
Mirka, there are thousands photos in the base, a lot of them - with copyright. No one has any problem with this- only you. So decide- you put the copyright on all your photos or not. If you don't want - it's your problem.
Not ours