SVP - when & where?

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Dayen

You asked about certificate, and its not the same thing as CACT or CACIT.

CACT gets the best dog in every cathegory. But certificate gets every dog who made for example IPO... Ask at you kennel club about the diference, they shoul give you better answer. You mixed this two terms together.
In CZ, CACT for SVP1 doesn't mean anything for going to dogshows to the working class. SVP1 is simply too low rated. But, if you want, you can collect several CACT and become Champion of Work. But you don't get Czech Champion for CACT from Slovakia.

About 40km run - I think its too low. If you want certificate for proving endurace of a dog, try to stand for higher rate.
My dog have done ZVP1 and ZVP2 and both without training - i just take my bicycle, my dog and that was all.
But 40km in 4 hours should't be nothing for good dog with good natural endurance. When we finished 40km, my dog wanted wather, 20minutes of rest and than played with others.
70km, well, that's another cup of tea, my dog was tired after we finished. Some of dogs have problem with finishing the ZVP2.

We have got White Switzerland Shepperd and also mixed malamut at ZVP1 and they have no problem with getting excellent mark. Do you still think that 40km is enough for getting certificate for CSW?

No offence (I hope you don't misunderstand me), but you didn't try SVP. I've done three of them with one dog. I know that for beginner looks 40km as a long way to go, but it isn't and shouldn't be for every CSW.
Certificate was meant for a dog that can do more than average dog of a breed. So if you want certificate for SVP2 or SVP3 I thing it's alright, but for SVP1 it would be degradation of endurance of CSW.
Also in SK you don't get the same type of certificate as for IPO1.

And you shold also know that for get the title champion at almost all countries, you don't need any certificate. I thing it's the point behind this all.

First of all I really don`t get easily offended but now I really don`t understand ????

CACT I can not find anything about, but CACIT is a Certificate(Certificat d`aptitude au Championnat international de Travail) .....according to FCI ? so I think CACT must be the same as CACIT just national Certificat and not international Certificat ?

My kennel club have no rules for workingclass or International Champion for CSW ....because no one have ever done it ...yet ! I am going to set the rules together with the kennel club at the next board-meeting ...approval of SVP1-3 in Dk will be after I have passed(or tried passing) SVP1 with Uno ...for title Danish Champion dog need only 3 x CAC in DK by 3 different judges ...that is all !

....and no I don`t think 40km is very long way to run for a CSW(I have maybe not tried SVP yet, but I often bicycle/run 15-20km and sometimes more with my dog and we have passed UHP witch is 20km for German shepherds and he could easily run from all of the German shepherds ...and run twice the distance if needed), but many German shepherds(and other working breeds too) would never be able to run 40km in 4 hours !
White German shepherds and Malamute also have better body for running(Malamute is made for running) than "normal" German shepherds so offcourse they can pass 40km in 4 hours ....IF they have body condition for this, witch is the purpose of the trial( The objective of the trial is to create the conditions for systematic monitoring of good breeding practice aimed at attaining the standard of the CW breed. One of the key traits of a CW is its endurance).

What is the name of Certificate for IPO/ZVV1/ZPU2 ?

Do you get CACT for best dog in ZVP1-3 too or is it only in SVP1-3 ?

If I get this right, then when sveral CACT`s is collected you can be working Champion ....that must also mean that you can show your dog in working class ??? ...or how can you be working Champion without working certificat ??? ....sorry, but to me that sounds crazy

"Passing the trial according to the Trial Rules satisfies the conditions of the working trial for awarding of the title International Beauty Champion – FCI." ....If FCI have approved SVP1 as working trial for International beauty Champion, then offcourse it must be good enough for national Champion title too !?!? ....at least this is my opinion