2nd bonitation in Belgium

[Pavel]

Mirka,
for help is enought to contact club in CZ or SK, its all. Me is principially doesnt matter, if you choose Jedlicka or not. I inform only about actually situation. For me is doesnt matter, if belgian people would like to have e.g. canadian judge. But for real and valuable bonitation may be a really seriously judge. But of course, bonitation can, according the rules, make any national or international judge, who have right to valuate CsW.

I wish you good luck

Pavel

[Pavel]

And one fact about regsitration Jedlicka as international judge. See http://www.sky.cz/seda-eminence/, its pages of Jedlicka and see the sentence : "Do týdne požádám o vyškrtnutí ze seznamu mezinárodních rozhodčích FCI a ČMKU, zajistěte si proto včas rozhodčího na dubnovou bonitaci." Please translate fot people, which want to understand. Date of this document is 13.2.2005 !!! So that Jedlicka is "out of game" just over 5 years, not 4, as abobe written. Sorry.

[Hanka]

Hello Mirka, please read what I wrote. I don´t speak- is easy to have judges in your country, I don´t speak he does not know how must csw look, I don´t speak- you are not in contact with csw in Czech. I only write you: "MAYBE he doesn not know, how czech club do bonitation NOW". Because he was not on some czech bonitations a few years. Thats fact.

[Mirkawolf]

Pavel,

we do not need your permission or approoval to make the bonitation here, and we do not need your permission or approoval to use Mr. Jedlicka.
We did contact the Czech club in preparation for the bonitation, and this is the result - we do bonitate with this judge. The club was absolutely uninterested in helping us in any way.
I do not care what is on website of Seda Eminence kennel, what is valid for me is the current list of valid and active international judges on CMKU site.

[Pavel]

Mirka,
again - me is doesnt matter, whats you chose in Belgium. I wrote only the facts about Jedlicka nothing more. Howg

[massimo]

As Somebody else wrote unrequested facts about Jindra, I would like to write an unrequested comment about him too.
The last time I saw him was last year in Serramazzoni Italian Club show and I think he judged Marvellously.
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6644
(please note same things written all over the time!)

Some slovak friends were there too (Slovak friends and breeders and judges...) and their comment on Jindra's judgement was very positive.
So, an "unrequested" Congratulations to Belgim Club for the choice they made.

Massimo

[Liesbeth]

Thank you Massimo...

I can only say that the Belgian Club really tries to make things better for the breed. We try to convince people to bonitate their dogs, to X-ray their dogs, to work with their dogs, etc...
We TRY to do all those things, because we TRY to follow the rules of the clubs of origin.
We also ask a lot of advice and help of these clubs, because here in Belgium there are no specialists of the breed. Our club is only 3 years old, but our goal was to organise a bonitation every year. So people of Belgium, Holland and other countries nearby had the opportunity to bonitate their dogs, without driving 10.000km. Last year we received help from Sasha (thank you very much for that) and also from Sona Bognorova, who was willing to come to Belgium for the bonitation. This year he hoped to receive the same help, but it was difficult to find a judge willing to come. Mr.Jedlicka was so kind to volunteer and we were happy with his offer to come to Belgium for the bonitation. A specialist of the breed, a breeder himself, a good judge,...
It's difficult for me to understand why the Czech and/or Slovak club have problems with our choice for this judge (because that's how it feels like). We asked a lot of other judges and we (I must say Mirka, because she's the only one of the board who speaks the language) asked help...
Like Mirka already mentioned earlier: it's easy to give comment, but more difficult to help.
We only try to do our best. And I must admit that I'm not aware of a lot of things that happen in Czech and/or Slovak club. And I'm not aware of who's the best judge and how they judge etc... I have to trust on others to decide all those things. I have to ask advice and help of people like Sasha, Mirka and others who are willing to give me advice. But not so many people are willing to give advice... Big problem for me is the language. I know that not everyone speaks English.

So please, let us try to work together instead of not giving advise and help. It's easy to tell afterwards that things could have been better.

The only thing that matters to me, are the dogs. Not all the politics and problems in the different clubs... I hope we can still work together.

Liesbeth

[Pavel]

Dear Liesbeth,
my comment was only for clear the situation. A always ready to help, but its me very sorry, about belgian bonitation I hear first time here from this forum. If somebody contact me before, I could try to help. Eg. 3 weeks ago we have had a club conference and it was chance to discuss about it with all important people in CZ Club. But ... I didnt know about problem !!!
And about CZ/SK problems with Jedlicka - he is one of key person in the case "Mutara" which destroy the breed and he is the person, who breeding hybrids again and illegaly registrated in Italy as pure CsW. This is the reason, why CZ Club says him good bye and this is why we never more delegate Jedlicka as judge. Yes, if he dont put back his judge registration, he still be a international judge to the end of his life, doesnt matter, that dont have contact with breed development. But think, if such person is really seriously judge of breed, which try to slowly destroy.
I would like to see, that our breed developed in each contry only positive and more people know, that I was many time abroad to help and for help am always ready.

And its really last my comment to this thema.

Pavel

[saschia]

Originally Posted by Pavel

for help is enought to contact club in CZ or SK, its all

Pavel, as a representative of the SR club I must say here that the Belgian club did try to appoint slovak judges, unfortunately all of them have a lot to do with slovak bonitations, slovak shows and their personal lives as well.

I think that the belgian club did choose wisely. It may be true that Jindra has personal conflict with czech club, but there is no personal conflict with other clubs and as long as he judges objectively, why shouldn't other clubs appoint him? Who do you think they should have chosen? How do you think they should have persuaded the chosen judge to come if he declined the offer?

I am personally strongly opposed to using Mutaras and their offspring in breeding of CSW, but as long as the judge gives appropriate marks, there is no reason which would disqualify him.