Height and weight

[lupis]

Originally Posted by krala

We went to a vet yesterday and repaired the canine. It looks ok, though it is about half the other one's size. With this occasion we also haved her x-rayed! Unfortunately she has HD state 2 to 3..
It seams the discussion about the quality of Crying Wolf offsprings that I saw on this forum was not without reason, I am sorry to say..

It is sorry to read on your problems. I hope breeders will stop to breed dogs with so big problems by puppies. Now i see many only want to hide truth. I see Wolfdog.org people are also in it because removed from database all bad results of Crying wolf dogs and now you see only good one. But i see no good breeders use Crying wolf dogs - only crazy country is france now making more puppies and crossing dysplatic dogs with dysplatic dogs....

Originally Posted by Angelika

It´s quite early, ioana. You should wait another year.

I am not a veterinarian but i think if puppy have dysplasia it will be with dysplasia later. For it has no cure...

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by lupis

It is sorry to read on your problems. I hope breeders will stop to breed dogs with so big problems by puppies. Now i see many only want to hide truth. I see Wolfdog.org people are also in it because removed from database all bad results of Crying wolf dogs and now you see only good one. But i see no good breeders use Crying wolf dogs - only crazy country is france now making more puppies and crossing dysplatic dogs with dysplatic dogs....



I am not a veterinarian but i think if puppy have dysplasia it will be with dysplasia later. For it has no cure...

No, now you see only the official ones, that was sended together with a scan of the official pappers, proofing the result.
Normally the first result isn't the official yet, it's only for know if is all right with the dog or not, if is all right so people do the official one at right age, that's why is more common find good results than bad.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Normally the first result isn't the official yet, it's only for know if is all right with the dog or not, if is all right so people do the official one at right age, that's why is more common find good results than bad.

You write breeder make official and not official result and write only good? But I see you removed all bad result Crying wolf dogs and only good are here. You mean breeder send you only official result of good hips and not send bad results and you removed them?

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by lupis

You write breeder make official and not official result and write only good? But I see you removed all bad result Crying wolf dogs and only good are here. You mean breeder send you only official result of good hips and not send bad results and you removed them?

No, you don't understand me.
normally everyone makes 2 exams of his dog, one so called pre-exam and the official one, these 2 are made in different ages.
Where I live the pre-examination is made with 18 months, the official result is made with 24 months.
So, the breeder/owner make the pre-exam at 18 months, if the dog is displasic he can castrate the dog and start the treatment or wait for make the official one when the dog have 24 months.
Normally, if the dog is already high displasic at the pre-exam with 18 months, the owner/breeder not do the official one, because have no need.
So, at the database only official results are showed, that's why have more good results than bads, normally people when receive a bad result at the pre-examination don't do the official.

[krala]

Hi everybody!

It is great to see people interested in this subject. I certainly love my dog and would not change her for any other. And because I love her so much, it makes my heart brake when I see her falling down when she runs or tries to turn. And this is why I am so mad on these irresponsible breeders. They have all the information they need, there is no excuse. Is there nothing we can do to stop these bad crossings??

Ioana

[massimo]

Originally Posted by krala

Hi everybody!

It is great to see people interested in this subject. I certainly love my dog and would not change her for any other. And because I love her so much, it makes my heart brake when I see her falling down when she runs or tries to turn. And this is why I am so mad on these irresponsible breeders. They have all the information they need, there is no excuse. Is there nothing we can do to stop these bad crossings??

Ioana

Hello Ioana,
what you write makes MY heart brake.
The dog you are speaking about is ULKA?
Do you know if Chester and Xenia have HD results?
Unfortunately NOBODY can oblige breeders to breed responsibly.... OWNERS can FORCE them to make quality, to work in the best direction.
If the parents have no HD results, then I would NOT buy a dog from a Breeder knowing that this dog could have some problems.
I'm not blaming you of course, but only by sharing information like this, on this forum, it is possible to reduce risk.
I could make many examples and unfortunately I could hurt many friends.
I can tell you what I did!
I made HD results for my dog, she was dysplasic and I made the results OFFICIAL, so everybody can see.
So, people, if they look for information, they will see that the parents of my dog have made dysplasic dogs...it's not something mathematical unfortunately (dysplasy is not perfectly genetical) but it could help.
Only OWNERS can oblige BREEDERS to work better by NOT BUYING dogs from them.
Massimo

[Rona]

Originally Posted by massimo

I made HD results for my dog, she was dysplasic and I made the results OFFICIAL, so everybody can see.
So, people, if they look for information, they will see that the parents of my dog have made dysplasic dogs...it's not something mathematical unfortunately (dysplasy is not perfectly genetical) but it could help.

Massimo

Chapeuax bas, Massimo, chapeuax bas Mirka, Margo, Przemek, and all, who care to share information concerning their own dogs' health with other breeders and potential owners of CSVs!!!
Rona

[massimo]

Originally Posted by lupis

Now i see many only want to hide truth. I see Wolfdog.org people are also in it because removed from database all bad results of Crying wolf dogs and now you see only good one. But i see no good breeders use Crying wolf dogs - only crazy country is france now making more puppies and crossing dysplatic dogs with dysplatic dogs....
I am not a veterinarian but i think if puppy have dysplasia it will be with dysplasia later. For it has no cure...

Dear Lupis
i invite you to write only things you can prove as it is very easy to throw shit on somebody's face but it's much more difficult to clean up.
I have a dysplasic Crying wolf dog (with official results!) and i wouldn't change her for anything else in the world... and she surely jumps, runs, enjoys her life much more than many other CSW in the world.
kennel who's dogs are xrayed and "some" are dysplasic is information.
Some kennels have NO dogs xrayes for for what YOU can be concerned ALL their dogs can be dysplasic.
And, again, no info on WD doesn't mean no info, WD doesn't always have complete information if owners and breeders don't collaborate.
It's a pity because it would be a very useful tool... but as usual politics are much stronger than real love for the breed.

[lupis]

Originally Posted by massimo

I have a dysplasic Crying wolf dog (with official results!)

I write not only on Crying wolf but i see more breeders crossing dysplasic parents. You know breeder from france breed female Star Bright. Parents HD-B and HD-E. For you crossing parents HD-B and HD-C like Crying wolf and HD-B and HD-E is ok? I not write dogs are not nice and I like your Laguna but for me such crossing are not ok.

[massimo]

Originally Posted by lupis

I write not only on Crying wolf but i see more breeders crossing dysplasic parents. You know breeder from france breed female Star Bright. Parents HD-B and HD-E. For you crossing parents HD-B and HD-C like Crying wolf and HD-B and HD-E is ok? I not write dogs are not nice and I like your Laguna but for me such crossing are not ok.

For me ANY dog with Dysplasia should not be used in reproduction, so it makes no sense to speak about Crying wolf or any other Breeder name.
But if you speak about Crying wolf I do not see any mateings between dogs with dysplasia.
HD-C and HD-B are risky but not forbidden and could be tried in extreem cases of Excellent dogs (I wouldn't try but I don't condemn it)
By the way... I don't own Laguna but Lunatica.... and they come from both HDA parents.
Massimo