Health of the breeds

[elf]

Please be all mind open, ok SWH are not CSW, but there are very close (around 20000 genes for dogs, how many shared by SWH and CSW ?). Furthermore CSW can be in SWH situation in some years, worth looking at it throw this angle.
For exemple, SWH have a test for dwarfism, maybe this test would be useful as is for CSW ?

PS: let's open a new thread if this topic diverges too much from Winter's breeding.

[Nebulosa]

I open this new topic on Health and nutrition, we're not talking only of SHW health but of CzW health present and future too, without doubt's we can compare these two breeds because, by the way, seems that some people are trying cause problems in CzW following the same erros made in SHW breed and... using the same excuse.

[Hanka]

I see, I must write it again and again. In Czech republic work "breed comission" what watch population of wolfdogs. We know,if some lines, families have some health problems, we care for more dogs in bloodlines, where is less males, females.
How much clubs in Evropa do the same? I think nobody. Who care about all population? I think nobody.
We TRY to keep breed on good health level. Of course, some dogs can have problems now and in the future, but we try care about it very well.
And after it I can read in forum: "yes, wolfdog have problems".....Why theese clubs don´t delete dogs with problems out from breeding????
Why "breeders" use really every wolfdog for breeding? No selection? No care about breed? So- what will be future of breed in Evropa?
Sorry, I know, the topic started about saarlos, but the people write here about CSW. So I feel, I must react....

[Mirkawolf]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Why "breeders" use really every wolfdog for breeding? No selection? No care about breed? So- what will be future of breed in Evropa?
Sorry, I know, the topic started about saarlos, but the people write here about CSW. So I feel, I must react....

Because as you could read before, dogs are business And at the end of the day, for many of "breeders" it is all about the money.
Just look at the adds even here on Wolfdog.org - how many announced litters from abroad have both parents x-rayed? Not to mention bonitated?

For some breeders, titles are also more than character of the dogs. And the judges are inexperienced with the breed, they often compare CSW with Saarloos, believeing it is normal it is shy And don´t expect the owners or breeders of shy dogs tell the judge otherwise, so the shy dog gets title and the circus gets rolling... Who cares, that shy dog will produce only other shy dogs, and that titles won´t matter in normal life with a dog who is scared of its own shadow! It´s business, no?

And about the clubs, well ... let´s say that many of breeders who breed like this, are actually members of board of some of these clubs? So what do you think, can change?

[rocco]

Originally Posted by Hanka

I see, I must write it again and again. In Czech republic work "breed comission" what watch population of wolfdogs. We know,if some lines, families have some health problems, we care for more dogs in bloodlines, where is less males, females.
How much clubs in Evropa do the same? I think nobody. Who care about all population? I think nobody.
We TRY to keep breed on good health level. Of course, some dogs can have problems now and in the future, but we try care about it very well.
And after it I can read in forum: "yes, wolfdog have problems".....Why theese clubs don´t delete dogs with problems out from breeding????
Why "breeders" use really every wolfdog for breeding? No selection? No care about breed? So- what will be future of breed in Evropa?
Sorry, I know, the topic started about saarlos, but the people write here about CSW. So I feel, I must react....

Ok but no experts work now in czech "breed comission" . What you know about genetic ????? You read once Wachtel ? You are funny with yours plans (breed comission) without knowledge of breeding way and population genetic....SAD BUT TRUE.

I agree with elf . In SAW is problem (in my opinion) - that Holand club and people don't wan't sold puppies ...SAW are now more imbreed than CZW - SAW have smaller population than CZW, but CZW is all consanquinity too and I afraid it maybe problem in future........Health problems in CZW are increasing.
Both breeds have health problems - wild animals have problems too, but nature selection is more hard than breeders.

[Hanka]

Ok but no experts work now in czech "breed comission" . What you know about genetic ????? You read once Wachtel ? You are funny with yours plans (breed comission) without knowledge of breeding way and population genetic....SAD BUT TRUE.

Rocco. I don´t know you personally, you don´t know me. So, please, don´t write about me, don´t write ME....
I can write only this: Present breed comission care about population and about health and it NEVER will do some "Mutara" experiment , etc. like old breed comission....(your friends)

[rocco]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Rocco. I don´t know you personally, you don´t know me. So, please, don´t write about me, don´t write ME....
I can write only this: Present breed comission care about population and about health and it NEVER will do some "Mutara" experiment , etc. like old breed comission....(your friends)

you don't know me personally ????? very funny . You care about population - so I said - you haven't knowledge....and yours experiments are more danger for population than Mutara - my friend

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by rocco

you don't know me personally ????? very funny . You care about population - so I said - you haven't knowledge....and yours experiments are more danger for population than Mutara - my friend

experiments? cann say what experiment make Hanka? this is very important to breed