Health of the breeds

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

I think that is an excellent idea - hopefully owners would be open and honest when they have a dog with an undesirable health trait, even if they hvae no intention to breed their dog.

Yes but only in the DREM WORLD a breeder would tell the WOLFDOG WORLD that thay have a bad bood line ore dead puppies in there last litter, eaven if it should be god fore the breed it would be bad fore there cash flow.

only a smal prosentage would be truthful.

SAD BUT TRUE

Regards / Mikael

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Yes but only in the DREM WORLD a breeder would tell the WOLFDOG WORLD that thay have a bad bood line ore dead puppies in there last litter, eaven if it should be god fore the breed it would be bad fore there cash flow.
only a smal prosentage would be truthful.

Hej Mikael,

what a pessimistic point of view from the north - lol.
Even if only the optimists answer Anthony´s questions it would be a base

hälsning
Angelika

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Yes but only in the DREM WORLD a breeder would tell the WOLFDOG WORLD that thay have a bad bood line ore dead puppies in there last litter, eaven if it should be god fore the breed it would be bad fore there cash flow.

only a smal prosentage would be truthful.

SAD BUT TRUE

Regards / Mikael

Yes, but this small prosentage is still much better than NOTHING

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Yes, but this small prosentage is still much better than NOTHING

Originally Posted by Angelika

Hej Mikael,

what a pessimistic point of view from the north - lol.
Even if only the optimists answer Anthony´s questions it would be a base

hälsning
Angelika

Yes it would be nice if we lived in a drem world, but in reality I think that the honest breeders will lose buyers and the unserious that don´t report health faults will sell more puppys, and the breed would be more damage.
sens it would look fore the buyers that the unserius ones are the best and the most healty ones and the onest ones will look like the ones whit big problems.

But I agree that a DNA database would be a god idea, that way the breeders will no before the mating and will have easier to choose a combination that will produse healty puppys.

In Sweden you are not allowed to breed working dogs whitaut mental test and HD X-ray. And you are not allowed to mate HD C whit a C or a B onely whit an A. This to prevent HD problems on Working dogs.
Almoste every working dog breeder also do an ED X-ray at the same time, sens about 80% of the buyers request this resalt to.

I hope the roles fore breeding in udder countrys are this hard to ? but I´m not sure ?

Maby FCI are to make breeder roles fore all breeders to follow ?
But maby I´m living in a drem world to

Best Regards / Mikael

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Mikael

In Sweden you are not allowed to breed working dogs whitaut mental test and HD X-ray. And you are not allowed to mate HD C whit a C or a B onely whit an A. This to prevent HD problems on Working dogs.
Almoste every working dog breeder also do an ED X-ray at the same time, sens about 80% of the buyers request this resalt to.

I hope the roles fore breeding in udder countrys are this hard to ? but I´m not sure ?

I can speak only about Lithuania, but yes, the HD and ED requirements are the same. The puppies won't get the pedigree in other case. Also the breed club has a right to make their own requirements and recomendations (like bonitation, PRA tests etc.)

I also have a question about the health tests. Of course, you have to make HD, ED, PRA, but what about some other tests, like common blood test, biochemical tests for liver, kidney etc. Does anyone do it before breeding?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

I can speak only about Lithuania, but yes, the HD and ED requirements are the same. The puppies won't get the pedigree in other case. Also the breed club has a right to make their own requirements and recomendations (like bonitation, PRA tests etc.)

I also have a question about the health tests. Of course, you have to make HD, ED, PRA, but what about some other tests, like common blood test, biochemical tests for liver, kidney etc. Does anyone do it before breeding?

DNA test hase become popular fore all breeders in Sweden the last years, but there are no roles that you must yet... But DNA test on dogs are fairly new, I hope that it will be a requirement in the future, but still it is expensive to do and all DNA tests has to bee done individual, and cost extra fore every test result, there fore the breeders (only) test fore common diseases this far or diseases that thay know are in there blood line.

Regards / Mikael

[GalomyOak]

The AKC in the US is quite scary - there are no stipulations that a dog be tested for health, or anything else, before registering or breeding - many purebred dogs have paid the ultimate price in terms of health (physical and mental) because of poor breeding practices. A purebred dog needs only 3 generation pedigree. A breeder at their own choice may "limit" the registration of a puppy being sold (which can be reversed later) so that the puppy's offspring may not be registered in the future, and the puppy may not be shown in conformation exhibits, but most irresponsible breeders do not use this feature of registration, out of ignorance or because the lack of breeding/registration rights is a turn-off to buyers. Responsible breeders examine each pup early, and also follow the pup's development - the "limit" feature is useful for the responsible breeder.

DNA testing is required on all breedings of dogs that are imported, or if a bitch is mated outside of the USA. If 2 AKC registered dogs are bred, there is no requirement to DNA test - besides the health implications, this also scares me tremendously, as we have so many people here with hybrids, and also such a demand for hybrids to be produced from foolish people, in addition to a very "relaxed" attitude about breeding with our laws...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

The AKC in the US is quite scary - there are no stipulations that a dog be tested for health, or anything else, before registering or breeding - many purebred dogs have paid the ultimate price in terms of health (physical and mental) because of poor breeding practices. A purebred dog needs only 3 generation pedigree. A breeder at their own choice may "limit" the registration of a puppy being sold (which can be reversed later) so that the puppy's offspring may not be registered in the future, and the puppy may not be shown in conformation exhibits, but most irresponsible breeders do not use this feature of registration, out of ignorance or because the lack of breeding/registration rights is a turn-off to buyers. Responsible breeders examine each pup early, and also follow the pup's development - the "limit" feature is useful for the responsible breeder.

DNA testing is required on all breedings of dogs that are imported, or if a bitch is mated outside of the USA. If 2 AKC registered dogs are bred, there is no requirement to DNA test - besides the health implications, this also scares me tremendously, as we have so many people here with hybrids, and also such a demand for hybrids to be produced from foolish people, in addition to a very "relaxed" attitude about breeding with our laws...

I recommend that the US CsW club (soon to bee) demands DNA test to prove pure blood breeding and to avoid legal problems to, I know I will, sens Hybrids and Wolfdogs under generation 5 (F5) are alegal in Sweden.

To demand HD and ED X-ray are recomended to and DNA tests fore diseases.

But as you say responsible breeder will !!! and hoppfully there only are responsible owners and breeders in the US this far, I believe so ???

Regards / Mikael