Differences in bonitations...

wolfin · 05-09-2008, 11:46

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Originally Posted by Hanka

Do it Vaiva, make oficial club in your country (for wolfdogs), keep conditions for breeding and "our" breed will be better.

Dear Hanka,
in this years we have II CSV CLUB dogs show in Lithuania and II bonitation in me country.

all dogs who have breeds right in LT have and bonitation and HD results.

greatings
vet.doc. FCI and bonitation judge, CVK in Lithuania president
Daiva Rimaityte

Hanka · 05-09-2008, 12:02

So great

)). Now you can only write notes behind bonitation codes on some club pages . If all clubs wil do the same.......Dream

Liesbeth · 05-09-2008, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Hanka

So great

)). Now you can only write notes behind bonitation codes on some club pages . If all clubs wil do the same.......Dream

Great idea. I'll propose the same in Belgium!

Liesbeth

*Satu · 05-09-2008, 12:22

Why bonitationjudge can make bonitation to own dogs and puppies?

Or why somebody use electricity collar in bonitation? or they use violence?
and why dog who is very aggresive have P1-P3?

"everyone can live whit dog who is not looking like perfect but not if dog wants eat all peoples and other dogs"

Hanka · 05-09-2008, 12:39

Satu, where and when hapenned it? If is somebody member of breedcomission, he (she) must not be member of this in moment when his (her) dog make bonitation.
For example like me in Czech republic. I think, I was one time on bonitation and I was in bonitation comission. But in moment of bonitation I must not be in commission. It must be official, on the paper from bonitation where are bonitation results. I must not measure my dog, I must not tell about his result and bonitation comission have minus one member in this moment. But I don´t know, how is it in other countries......

*Satu · 05-09-2008, 13:01

Hanka, take your time and check all bonitation results.

I think WE need INTERNATIONAL CSV CLUB and all breedclubs haves same orgin bonitation and test rules.
if some club/country whant´s strict rules than orgin they can make it.

Also we need more bonitationjudges and that International Club can teach all botitationjudges.

I know very many breeds and they have that kind of INT CLUB.
They have meetings every second year.

Pavel · 05-09-2008, 13:05

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Originally Posted by *Satu

I think WE need INTERNATIONAL CSV CLUB and all breedclubs haves same orgin bonitation and test rules.

It would be great, but is it only wish, witch dont function. Every national kenel club is dependent and will nod accept any international club. Is only one way - every country must have own club and this clubs must cooperate and make common rules.

Hanka · 05-09-2008, 13:14

Oh Satu, I have not time to find all bonitations on web

)))). Ufff.
I can tell you only how it is in Czech.
But: what is a little funny- maybe are some eruptions on the Sun, much people write attacking articles on Poland, Czech, English forums, bad words about other people.....

. Or is bad position of planets....maybe

Margo · 05-09-2008, 14:19

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Originally Posted by Hanka

But: what is a little funny- maybe are some eruptions on the Sun, much people write attacking articles on Poland, Czech, English forums, bad words about other people.....

. Or is bad position of planets....maybe

No - there are no more spots on the sun in the moment. For sure it is the problem....

Margo · 05-09-2008, 14:15

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Originally Posted by *Satu

Hanka, take your time and check all bonitation results.

I think WE need INTERNATIONAL CSV CLUB and all breedclubs haves same orgin bonitation and test rules.
if some club/country whant´s strict rules than orgin they can make it.

Also we need more bonitationjudges and that International Club can teach all botitationjudges.

I know very many breeds and they have that kind of INT CLUB.
They have meetings every second year.

As Pavel wrote it will be hard to make such kind of club on the official way. But Slovak Club (together with Czech Club) try to organize word-wide community of judges and breeders (and owners of course) which cooperate together and follow the same rules... It is just starting - the data are being collected and we try to prepare everything.... So give us some time and meetings like Hronec (with exchanging of infromation) can transform to official meetings with a very good formulated goals...

Liesbeth · 05-09-2008, 19:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Satu

Hanka, take your time and check all bonitation results.

I think WE need INTERNATIONAL CSV CLUB and all breedclubs haves same orgin bonitation and test rules.
if some club/country whant´s strict rules than orgin they can make it.

Also we need more bonitationjudges and that International Club can teach all botitationjudges.

I know very many breeds and they have that kind of INT CLUB.
They have meetings every second year.

I think this is a great idea. We organise our second bonitation in Belgium this year, and it was very difficult to find a judge that suits everyone! Our bonitation will be perfectly official, but there will be always somebody complaining about the nationality of the judge, the way he makes the bonitation, Czech or Slovak, etc...

If there would be an international sort of club who makes sure that all bonitations are comparable etc., that would be just great!

Belgium likes to coöperate

Liesbeth

massimo · 05-09-2008, 13:12

wow...this thread is becoming "let's see who throws more shit on other breeders!!"
Margo, can you change the title?

massimo · 05-09-2008, 13:16

I have no time to make official request but anyway it is not SO important for me.
Somebody asked me a question and for some reason I'm not sure if I can reply.
Are the recent bonitations mad in Italy:
Recognized or not from Czech and Slovak club?
Does anybody in contact with the club know this reply?
I'm not speaking about this site, we know that the Italian bonitations are not valid for wolfdog.org, but for the official clubs?
Sasha? Hanka? do you know?
massimo

wolfin · 05-09-2008, 13:22

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Originally Posted by *Satu

Why bonitationjudge can make bonitation to own dogs and puppies?

Judge can not judge dogs which he is owner. For bonitate his own dogs he must leave the comittee and someone else must be in the breeding comittee. But judge can judge dogs which he bred but which belong to other persons...

*Satu · 05-09-2008, 13:41

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Originally Posted by wolfin

Judge can not judge dogs which he is owner. For bonitate his own dogs he must leave the comittee and someone else must be in the breeding comittee. But judge can judge dogs which he bred but which belong to other persons...

On, Skandinavian judges can´t do that for own breeded dogs (dogs from their kennel)

FCI judges have 6 month rules... I think?

Rules have same in all FCI countries.

and results looks little bit reliadle if rules can be different.....

Margo · 05-09-2008, 14:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by massimo

I have no time to make official request but anyway it is not SO important for me.
Somebody asked me a question and for some reason I'm not sure if I can reply.
Are the recent bonitations mad in Italy:
Recognized or not from Czech and Slovak club?
Does anybody in contact with the club know this reply?

The bonitation in Pavia was made as official bonitation of the Czech club accoring to the Czech Club rules... Because of it it is fully recognized...

saschia · 05-09-2008, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by massimo

Are the recent bonitations mad in Italy:
Recognized or not from Czech and Slovak club?

Well, if it was done exactly accodring to slovak or chzech rules (with character test on chain without owner present), than there is a chance, I don't know officially. But if there is no character test, then for sure no.

jasmine · 05-09-2008, 12:52

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Originally Posted by *Satu

Why bonitationjudge can make bonitation to own dogs and puppies?

Or why somebody use electricity collar in bonitation? or they use violence?
and why dog who is very aggresive have P1-P3?

"everyone can live whit dog who is not looking like perfect but not if dog wants eat all peoples and other dogs"

yeeess...good question...I have got nice videospot about bonitacio in Hronec...some part is very interresting

agressivity is biggest problem than shyness...and I think the klubs must think over and change the caracter test!!!!

Margo · 05-09-2008, 13:22

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Originally Posted by jasmine

yeeess...good question...I have got nice videospot about bonitacio in Hronec...some part is very interresting

agressivity is biggest problem than shyness...and I think the klubs must think over and change the caracter test!!!!

Let's stop play the game "Quest which dog I mean"

It makes more things easier.... and make the air more clear...

Let say it open and ask Michael questions about the bonitation of Gorbi Zlata Palz directly... We were there, we know why the results was as it is... It has no sence to make something top secret because there is really nothing to hide...

Hanka · 05-09-2008, 13:30

Massimo, my english is not so perfect, so I don´t understand what you mean.....If was bonitation in Pavia "under" czech club? Or?.....

05-09-2008, 12:22	#4
*Satu Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 194	Why bonitationjudge can make bonitation to own dogs and puppies? Or why somebody use electricity collar in bonitation? or they use violence? and why dog who is very aggresive have P1-P3? "everyone can live whit dog who is not looking like perfect but not if dog wants eat all peoples and other dogs" __________________ www.csv.fi

05-09-2008, 13:01	#6
*Satu Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 194	Hanka, take your time and check all bonitation results. I think WE need INTERNATIONAL CSV CLUB and all breedclubs haves same orgin bonitation and test rules. if some club/country whant´s strict rules than orgin they can make it. Also we need more bonitationjudges and that International Club can teach all botitationjudges. I know very many breeds and they have that kind of INT CLUB. They have meetings every second year. __________________ www.csv.fi

05-09-2008, 13:14	#8
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Oh Satu, I have not time to find all bonitations on web )))). Ufff. I can tell you only how it is in Czech. But: what is a little funny- maybe are some eruptions on the Sun, much people write attacking articles on Poland, Czech, English forums, bad words about other people...... Or is bad position of planets....maybe

05-09-2008, 13:12	#12
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	wow...this thread is becoming "let's see who throws more shit on other breeders!!" Margo, can you change the title? __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

05-09-2008, 13:16	#13
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	I have no time to make official request but anyway it is not SO important for me. Somebody asked me a question and for some reason I'm not sure if I can reply. Are the recent bonitations mad in Italy: Recognized or not from Czech and Slovak club? Does anybody in contact with the club know this reply? I'm not speaking about this site, we know that the Italian bonitations are not valid for wolfdog.org, but for the official clubs? Sasha? Hanka? do you know? massimo __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica

05-09-2008, 12:02	#2
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	So great )). Now you can only write notes behind bonitation codes on some club pages . If all clubs wil do the same.......Dream

05-09-2008, 12:39	#5
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Satu, where and when hapenned it? If is somebody member of breedcomission, he (she) must not be member of this in moment when his (her) dog make bonitation. For example like me in Czech republic. I think, I was one time on bonitation and I was in bonitation comission. But in moment of bonitation I must not be in commission. It must be official, on the paper from bonitation where are bonitation results. I must not measure my dog, I must not tell about his result and bonitation comission have minus one member in this moment. But I don´t know, how is it in other countries......

05-09-2008, 13:30	#20
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Massimo, my english is not so perfect, so I don´t understand what you mean.....If was bonitation in Pavia "under" czech club? Or?.....