Differences in bonitations...

[Hanka]

Margo, please don´t forget, before 2003 was here "old club goverment" and we have not documents from this time.....Now is new club goverment and all members of club can see all what they want.
And stop with writting about dogs with disqualification defects in czech breeding. It is not right . I am in breedcomission and I don´t remember time, when we put some bad dog (with P14 defects) to breeding......And I don´t remember case, when small dog have more cm in code. I think, nobody does it here....

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Margo, please don´t forget, before 2003 was here "old club goverment" and we have not documents from this time.....Now is new club goverment and all members of club can see all what they want.

I know the problems with the old "GOVERMENT" Nobody can blame your for it and I can really make HUGE list of thinks which the new board of the club makes much better as it was before... Don't worry - I have also many positive thigs which I can write about the Czech style of leading the breed but not we are not wroting about good sides...

Originally Posted by Hanka

And stop with writting about dogs with disqualification defects in czech breeding. It is not right . I am in breedcomission and I don´t remember time, when we put some bad dog (with P14 defects) to breeding......And I don´t remember case, when small dog have more cm in code. I think, nobody does it here....

You not.... it was made by the board and breeding comitteee which was before you.. But still please look on the way the dogs are judged in Czech Republic and see that the problem with hiding faults exists.... Not because you WANT to hide them but because to follow the Czech rules you MUST hide them...
The open lips are really the best example and someone must do something with it - just look on the males and say it openly: it is almost not possible to find A dog in CZ which has TYPICAL lips... They have all little open or VERY open lips what make their had looking totally different...

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by massimo

No need to ask Michael, I was there and can tell anybody, it's no secret.
And please do NOT imagine things as they are not.
Two bonitations were made to quite nervous and untouchable dogs.
Geryon z Peronowki and Gorbi Zlata Palz.
Geryon z Peronowki had Muzzle and needed 2 people (owner and breeder) to hold him and distract him during measurements.
The owner alone (in this case Daiva) was not able to make him be measured.

Gorbi Zlata Palz same thing...the owner wasn't even able to PUT the muzzle on him.
But the breeder (Micheal) took the dog, went away and returned after a few minutes with a brand new dog. No muzzle was anymore necessary.
It was like a statue and Sona could do ANYTHING she wanted.
No violence was done to the dog, it was just shown to the dog that he is NOT the boss and he CANNOT do anything he wants.

Massimo do not lie. No VIOLENCE!?! Many people was there and see it.
Margo helped me to show Geryon but I not bit him. But Gorbi? Michael must punish he during measurement really and everybody see it in Hronec. He must strangle Gorbi and it not worked. Michael took dog and go away. When he come back Gorbi was so punished, his tongue was BLUE. He was in shock and for me it is no wonder Sona could do ANYTHING with him.
Remember there was many people who see it. Letty from Holland. Satu and many many more - Massimo not tell lies now

[massimo]

Originally Posted by wolfin

When he come back Gorbi was so punished, his tongue was BLUE.

I didn't see a blue tongue... just hard pulled by the leash and jumping up and down like crazy and then a calm, not frightened, dog.
I am no liar, I speak for what I see and I confirm my previous statement.
I am strongly against Electric Collar though.
What do you think?
massimo

[*Satu]

Why Elys is 59cm high? Hmmm....
Oskar is very big man and Elys doesn´t like Oskar so Oskar taken very many times high but everytime different high.

One was over 61 and 60 and....
I have couple photos how you can take wolfdogs high mits and dog don´t want stand.

After Oskars results Sasha taken different highs again because Elys likes more Sasha than Oskar and she standing better.

and so many dogshow judges have taken Elys high and all is more that 59cm

But bigger problem is character not how high dog is....

Thanks God ! my dogs are not agressive for anybody and I can walk whit them everywhere.

[Margo]

Originally Posted by *Satu

Why Elys is 59cm high? Hmmm....
Oskar is very big man and Elys doesn´t like Oskar so Oskar taken very many times high but everytime different high.

One was over 61 and 60 and....
I have couple photos how you can take wolfdogs high mits and dog don´t want stand.

After Oskars results Sasha taken different highs again because Elys likes more Sasha than Oskar and she standing better.

EXACTLY! When the judge knows the dog can be in the reality higher than the measurements taken such dog can get better note and not P14. Beside the height Elys do not have any other faults and it is the reason why Elys is P3 and not P14...

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by *Satu

Why Elys is 59cm high? Hmmm....
Oskar is very big man and Elys doesn´t like Oskar so Oskar taken very many times high but everytime different high.

One was over 61 and 60 and....
I have couple photos how you can take wolfdogs high mits and dog don´t want stand.

After Oskars results Sasha taken different highs again because Elys likes more Sasha than Oskar and she standing better.

and so many dogshow judges have taken Elys high and all is more that 59cm

But bigger problem is character not how high dog is....

Thanks God ! my dogs are not agressive for anybody and I can walk whit them everywhere.

Satu, You must have bonitation card and make scan and take to this post. And see who is wright in reality.

i know about cm i have example - dogs in young presentation have 68 cm but in bonitation have only 66 cm.

[*Satu]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Satu, You must have bonitation card and make scan and take to this post. And see who is wright in reality.

i know about cm i have example - dogs in young presentation have 68 cm but in bonitation have only 66 cm.

Is not big secret about my dogs bonitation result Elys have code A59,Og,R1,P3

and that code is also in Elys paper.

Any bonitation judges or comitean members are not my frends, I don´t have any dogs from their kennel, I don´t fu*k them,Im not judge. I´m not member of bonitation comitea

I have seen thous peoples (2 times Oskar Dora first in bonitation,second in summer camp)
(Sonja 1st time in summercamp) and Cz judges Only 1st time in Bonitation.)

Im not jealous other dogs results and i don´t want say any bad thinks about any person but still
I´m dreaming about INTERNATIONAL CZW CLUB WHERE ALL COUNTRIES CLUBS CAN COME and TALK VERY OPENLY.