Differences in bonitations...

[massimo]

Originally Posted by wolfin

About electric collar - who have this in bonitation?
But el.collar not be ussed in boniation, or maybe you have facts and photo about this?

I didn't speak about Electrical Collar during Bonitation.

Originally Posted by massimo

I am strongly against Electric Collar though.
What do you think?

It was a straightforward statement I say because you say what you saw during Gorbi's bonitation was violence.
Somebody else mentioned it during bonitation, not me:

Originally Posted by *satu

Or why somebody use electricity collar in bonitation?

For me Electric Collar is a stronger violence and I am against it unless the dogs have serious serious problems (better electric collar than being shot down)
Violence to a dog is ALSO to let him do what he wants, to let him be your BOSS, to let him think he can do anything and he is right; it's TOTALLY wrong and can lead to make him be put down in future...
Violence is also the Breeder who sells a difficult dog as CSW without warning the owners about what "could" happen, about Hierarchy, about leadership; breeders who don't care about the dogs they sold anymore and don't care about their future but just the money they bring.
Sorry for this OT but I'm a bit sad, a CSW has recently been put down in Italy because week owners (husband and wife) were badly bit by their male.
Massimo

[wolfin]

but we speak about bonitation, if You wish speak about training and el.collar systems we cann make other new topic.

[massimo]

Originally Posted by wolfin

but we speak about bonitation, if You wish speak about training and el.collar systems we cann make other new topic.

I spoke about definition of violence, considering that between us we surely have different idea of what violence is, considering what we saw during bonitation.

But if you want to speak about bonitation.

Originally Posted by Margo

... with Daiva the dog didn't allowed to be measured even when I tried to help her - he was protecting himself and I think it is the video you saw for sure. But later we changed and only I started to show him. Without any problems I get the muzzle off of him and calmed him down...

These words speak for themselves.
I have never seen you train your dogs and I cannot judge you. But if I try to understand these words... Geryon was protecting himself from you, or better, from something you do to him which he doesn't like.
I am sure your dog loves you, just as my dogs love me.
I know I don't have much control of my dog when he is in contact with other males.

Originally Posted by *Satu

Thanks God ! my dogs are not aggressive for anybody and I can walk whit them everywhere.

I agree with you Satu, precious words... I wish I could avoid being pulled around when other males are there.
Maybe my dog doesn't respect me as much as he SHOULD.
But I know my dog LOVES and RESPECTS me, and he is ok to be handled by any normally behaving human being without any problem.
Are you sure your dogs do not FEAR you?
Dogs fear violence.
Gorbi wasn't afraid of Michael during bonitation or after, everybody saw this.
Massimo