Herding with CSV?

Liesbeth · 15-09-2008, 14:20

Hi Marcy,

You can always give it a try and let us know how things worked out!

After all, the German shepard was a herding dog to long time ago, and the CsW is the group of the herding dogs (because the history of the GS).
I keep my mind open for everything, even herding with CsW

The number one capacity of a herding dog is not to finish the hunting... they just fixate, follow and 'herd' the cattle. It's like hunting, without the final step: the kill. Because the CsW wasn't further selected on this capacity to herd a cattle, they'll probably want to finish the game of hunting, by killing/attacking the catlle. I say 'probably' and 'most' CsW...
I think that if you train them if they are young to herd the cattle, they are able to do this. I don't know how your dogs react to other animals, but why not trying together with the lady you met?
It's not because a breed isn't especially 'designed' for something, that you can't try it with them... So I can't fully agree with Pavel on this...
Although it's true that the CsW will be a better dog for IPO then herding, of course

Liesbeth

saschia · 15-09-2008, 16:55

Hi, I have heard about some CSV which actually passed herding tests. You might find more on that at the italian forum, if you speak the language (I don't).

I don't agree with Pavel that you should only do IPO, for IPO there are also more suitable breeds, than wolfdog. With wolfdog, the road is the goal, as was said in China or where it was... You should do what you enjoy, and the dog will probably enjoy it with you.

Pavel · 15-09-2008, 17:04

Saschia, you can doing with CsW dog dancing od frisbee as well. But simply say, why looking for such alternative sports, when we have very good working dogs. Alternative sports were developt, because many dog breeds simply lost their original sense. CsW is 100% tracing dog, most population is very good for obedience and minimally 50% is good useful for defence. So that why trying alternative, when we can use CsW so, how were breeding and selecting.

Juniorwolf · 15-09-2008, 17:40

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Originally Posted by Pavel

Saschia, you can doing with CsW dog dancing od frisbee as well. But simply say, why looking for such alternative sports, when we have very good working dogs. Alternative sports were developt, because many dog breeds simply lost their original sense. CsW is 100% tracing dog, most population is very good for obedience and minimally 50% is good useful for defence. So that why trying alternative, when we can use CsW so, how were breeding and selecting.

Well I must agree with Saschia.
The breedstandart says "Versatile in his uses", to me that means more than just IPO

and CSW is catogorized as "working dog" to me herding is also work.

Rolf

saschia · 16-09-2008, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Pavel

So that why trying alternative, when we can use CsW so, how were breeding and selecting.

Pavel, wolfdog is a working breed. It was made for protecting the borders. As we are not doing that with wolfdogs right now, we are not using it for its original purpose. But the wolfdog is very universal and I think it is most important that the people actually work with it, and the best way to keep working is to actually enjoy it. So if you love wolfdogs for their intelligence and temperament, why shouldn't you get one and do herding or dog dancing or whatever you like to do? It is still work, in the sense as IPO is work, that the dog is learning your commands and cooperates with you.

Of course wolfdogs are great for tracking, and I recommend to everybody to play tracking games with them - it is such fun. But it is not the only thing they are goot at and which is fun.

rocco · 17-09-2008, 08:39

It' s wonderfull ! Herding is starting to be very popular in Czech and about 3 years ago I wan't try the basic herding exam with Rocco

only for fun. I think herding is mutch more funny for our dogs than IPO

. And for me is herding dogs more "working dogs" than dogs with IPO exam. For practical reason.
Shepperd herding sheep and wolfdog eat sheep. It's difference ...but never say never

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furyos · 17-09-2008, 11:03

hi all .. adaptation of way of master live is not a problem for our breed ... y send yu pics from one of my pupp : CORTO de la louve blanche ... master work in a farm for teenagers in difficulties who coudldn't go in a prison beacause too young and not a real solution ...they live with different animals in mountain without contact with the city ...(zootherapy programm) CORTO is a very good example for teenagers and proove that they can work and control on their agressiv comportment( for example with the Attachment 609

Attachment 610lamb)..... Csw can do more and more work we can imagine ..... best regards .. frank

15-09-2008, 14:20	#1
Liesbeth Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Lubbeek Posts: 373	Hi Marcy, You can always give it a try and let us know how things worked out! After all, the German shepard was a herding dog to long time ago, and the CsW is the group of the herding dogs (because the history of the GS). I keep my mind open for everything, even herding with CsW The number one capacity of a herding dog is not to finish the hunting... they just fixate, follow and 'herd' the cattle. It's like hunting, without the final step: the kill. Because the CsW wasn't further selected on this capacity to herd a cattle, they'll probably want to finish the game of hunting, by killing/attacking the catlle. I say 'probably' and 'most' CsW... I think that if you train them if they are young to herd the cattle, they are able to do this. I don't know how your dogs react to other animals, but why not trying together with the lady you met? It's not because a breed isn't especially 'designed' for something, that you can't try it with them... So I can't fully agree with Pavel on this... Although it's true that the CsW will be a better dog for IPO then herding, of course Liesbeth __________________ Tsjechoslowaakse Wolfhonden van Hagia Sophia' www.wolfdog.be

15-09-2008, 16:55	#2
saschia Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bratislava Posts: 936	Hi, I have heard about some CSV which actually passed herding tests. You might find more on that at the italian forum, if you speak the language (I don't). I don't agree with Pavel that you should only do IPO, for IPO there are also more suitable breeds, than wolfdog. With wolfdog, the road is the goal, as was said in China or where it was... You should do what you enjoy, and the dog will probably enjoy it with you. __________________ Saschia (Sasa Zahradnikova) http://www.chiens-loup-tchecoslovaqu...ei-et-damon.ws

17-09-2008, 08:39	#6
rocco REJPAL Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 226	It' s wonderfull ! Herding is starting to be very popular in Czech and about 3 years ago I wan't try the basic herding exam with Rocco only for fun. I think herding is mutch more funny for our dogs than IPO . And for me is herding dogs more "working dogs" than dogs with IPO exam. For practical reason. Shepperd herding sheep and wolfdog eat sheep. It's difference ...but never say never . __________________ Rocco

17-09-2008, 11:03	#7
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	hi all .. adaptation of way of master live is not a problem for our breed ... y send yu pics from one of my pupp : CORTO de la louve blanche ... master work in a farm for teenagers in difficulties who coudldn't go in a prison beacause too young and not a real solution ...they live with different animals in mountain without contact with the city ...(zootherapy programm) CORTO is a very good example for teenagers and proove that they can work and control on their agressiv comportment( for example with the Attachment 609 Attachment 610lamb)..... Csw can do more and more work we can imagine ..... best regards .. frank Last edited by furyos; 24-11-2008 at 03:46.

15-09-2008, 17:04	#3
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	Saschia, you can doing with CsW dog dancing od frisbee as well. But simply say, why looking for such alternative sports, when we have very good working dogs. Alternative sports were developt, because many dog breeds simply lost their original sense. CsW is 100% tracing dog, most population is very good for obedience and minimally 50% is good useful for defence. So that why trying alternative, when we can use CsW so, how were breeding and selecting.