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Originally Posted by Mikael

Hmmmmm…

I do not understand way serious breeder would bee against DNA tests ?

DNA test can se what no breeder can se, it is like a X-ray on the dogs hereditary health genes, but better.

No good breeder will be really aganist DNA tests, but we need see how this DNA test will be made, I saw the topic about the DNA tests on Belgiun, I'm really glad by their movement for the good breeding but they leave some holes that can and surelly will be used for bad breeders sake, or you really believe that someone who wants sold mixes dogs will lost the opportunity to have a mix "DNA-tested pure breed CzW"?
If I live in Belgium I will be really against this test because the way it will be done and the huge problem it will brings.
But I really think in see how much will coast for make DNA test in all litter I do, and, if possible, talk with the laboratories for we make a DNA database as save the blood line of the dogs for possible future use, but this is for a not much far future.

You can take away bad genes before the first litter is born, not wait and se…

It isn't so easy like that, if we map the breed you will see that almost all dogs and all lines will carry a problem, some more serious and some less.
Even that will not mean we can put out all dogs wich have or pass problems, unhaply we not have genetic pool for do it.

Soon there will be no HD and ED X-ray, it will bee one HD and ED DNA test, whit 100% safety.

I really wish this day comes soon as possible, but I know that it will leave still much time, so we cannot count with such tecnology now.

And as some of you say, we can talk and se fore are self’s, I would like to ask way all the diseases are still in are breed ??? If the breeders can se all hereditary diseases there would hopefully be much less of them I think.

Some diseases are in the breeding, most part we nor are able to imagine, CzW is a new breed and we don't know how many illness exists already and how are tipical or would be if lack correct selection.
But, we enter again in the poor genetic pool problem, and this will follow all breeders until the line be PROPERLLY open.
Soppose we find a old displasic CzW with a really rare line, a uncommon line wich will make a really good open of blood.
What would you, as breeder do?
Put this dog outside breeding because his hips isn't good enough and kill a new open pure line with the future death of this old dog?
Make alitter with he using a famale with really good hips and wich is pretty know for pass these good hips for it's offsprings?
Every people with common sense will have the first action, take the dog out the breeding because his bad hips, but it isn't so easy, doing it you will lost a really good opportunity to open the line of the breeding with a pure animal, and you can't imagine how this is precious for every breed with such little genetic pool.
If we take the second option, use the displasic dog with a good female, all puppies probably will carry the displasy gene, supose that 50% will show the problem and 50% not, with selection we can fix again the displasy problem in this specific line, and everyone that will use this line must be awared about it.
Remembering with the high consanguinity in this breed, probably every dog carry the displasy problem, but most part of good selected animals with correct body don't show it.
If we don't use this displasic open lined dog, soon more illness than only displasy will appear because the high imbreeding, it will be worst than displasic puppies I can guarantee it to you, soon we will need open the line with.. a carpatian wolf, it wil be like start of the 0 again with the new line, a lot of work will must be done for this new line be tipical at the CzW again, principally in behaviour.
Every decision must be really well thinked before be done, principally when we talk about take lines out of breeding.
Remembering that I'm not saying here that is correct use displasyc dog, or that displasic dogs may not be discarted of breeding, but if appear a very special case like the one I cited here.

And no I do not wont a black list…I wont the list whit the healthy dogs. And one list of hereditary diseases to look out fore, no names on any dogs please.

Good breeders have nothing to hide, this site show it perfectly.
Ask yourself, why lack some HD and ED results in some dogs wich sometimes we knows have problems? look what Margo write before and you will see why these bad results lack.
So, when you start search for a new dog, start look wich breeders or litters lack most results, it's easy and sometimes you can even confirm some of the gossips you listen.