"Suspicious" dogs list

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by rolf

As I wrote in an earlier post, it is not a secret just because it is not addet to a private owned site(or any site for that matter) ....I am sure if you contact thise breeders they will gladly answer all your questions ...also keep in mind that not all breeders(other people too) care about internet, even more some people don`t speak other languages than their own and some don`t have international interests ! .....does this make them bad breeders/owners ?

I can write this over and over again - Please keep an open mind

Greetings Rolf

Ok, but if there is an international database, why not to put information here? i do not see any reasons. The breeders and owners of other breeds get very surprised then they hear about such a great thing as wolfdog.org, why not to support it by information (not money, time or smth else)

[Hanka]

Hello Mikael. One reaction to your first question. You mean, Orlik had curly coat. But Orlik had parents too. He MUST have it from some parent. You can ask us: Why was in breeding his father Rep z PS, if he had not corect coat?
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/cs/gallery/pic/23768/
I answer you: in 80. years of 20. century was 75% of slovakian population related to Rep z PS. If breeders could´not use him, the breeding was ending in the begin of breeding. I remember Rep z PS. It was wonderfull male with dancing steps, ideal male. So we must ignorate some defect. He gived much good dogs and some bad, of course. It is reason, why we must to do selection.
Maybe it is answer for other people in second forum. Unfortunatelly not exist selection!!!! Much people "produces" all wolfdogs. Without bonitation, without HD results, not exist breeding comission for guarding of health of breed....Sad.
Funny is when bad dogs (for breeding here) from Czech republic are sold to west Evropa and they are "perfect" breeding dogs. It is normal.
I think, we have not chance to change it, when we will sell pups by money. If somewhere are money, other things are outside. But we are people, it is BASE of people.

[Hanka]

Hi hi, Daiva. Will you write about your dogs openly to all World? For example : "my male has operated bones or my dog have bad teeth," etc etc....? And if somebody will know some top secret info about your dogs and this person will write here: Don´t use Daiva male, he has this and this.....I think, you will never speak with this people...Or yes?
So I think, this situation is normal (to keeping of "bad " info top secret), but I don´t think it is good. But nobody can change it.
Exist thousands defects of this breed. But good breeder CAN watch it and he CAN use only good dogs for breeding. Maybe only for his good feeling.
And if somebody breed dogs with defect and he knows it.....nobody can change it.

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hi hi, Daiva. Will you write about your dogs openly to all World? For example : "my male has operated bones or my dog have bad teeth," etc etc....? And if somebody will know some top secret info about your dogs and this person will write here: Don´t use Daiva male, he has this and this.....I think, you will never speak with this people...Or yes?
So I think, this situation is normal (to keeping of "bad " info top secret), but I don´t think it is good. But nobody can change it.
Exist thousands defects of this breed. But good breeder CAN watch it and he CAN use only good dogs for breeding. Maybe only for his good feeling.
And if somebody breed dogs with defect and he knows it.....nobody can change it.

Daiva did not write even a thing on this topic, so I guess you meant Vaiva It is easy for me, of course, to say "yes", but maybe it is just because I only have one female wolfdog and no litters yet You know, if you are open and have no "top secrets", nobody will see any reasons to speak secretly something bad about you and your dogs
Being open is a best thing to feel safe from any gossiping

[Hanka]

Hmmmm, so not Daiva. My answer was to Vaiva. But the questions and anwsers are always the same . And one question more: why you have almost the same nick?

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hmmmm, so not Daiva. My answer was to Vaiva. But the questions and anwsers are always the same . And one question more: why you have almost the same nick?

Well, these are our names. Real ones. Daiva Rimaityte and Vaiva Zostautaite There is also a Lithuanian name Vaida, so don't be surprised if one day... But this is OT

[Hanka]

I hope no Vaida has wolfdogs too. bye Hanka

[Hanka]

Only short mesage for my "friend", which likes resend my answers to other people. Please read my answer once again:


Hello Mikael. One reaction to your first question. You mean, Orlik had curly coat. But Orlik had parents too. He MUST have it from some parent. You can ask us for example: Why was in breeding his father Rep z PS, if he had not corect coat?

I answer you: in 80. years of 20. century was 75% of slovakian population related to Rep z PS. If breeders could´not use him, the breeding was ending in the begin of breeding. I remember Rep z PS. It was wonderfull male with dancing steps, ideal male. So we must ignorate some defect. He gived much good dogs and some bad, of course. It is reason, why we must to do selection.

Did you read somewhere I think Rep was bad???
Some people here are sooo friendly

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hi hi, Daiva. Will you write about your dogs openly to all World? For example : "my male has operated bones or my dog have bad teeth," etc etc....? And if somebody will know some top secret info about your dogs and this person will write here: Don´t use Daiva male, he has this and this.....I think, you will never speak with this people...Or yes?

It is not the problem... In the case when somebody writes "Vaiva (not Daiva), I heard your dog has operated bones and bad teeth". She can answer: "it is bullshit. My dog is HD-A and here is the certificate. And here is the bonitation code that teeth are perfect".

The problem is when some people are telling something like this, when is it bullshit (sorry, for such word) but Vaiva has no idea that it is told behind her back and she can not write "No, it is nit true. It is just story told by another jealous breeder" but she wonders that puppy buyers get "nice emails" saying "Do not buy puppy from her". I tell you, Vaiva would be happy if she will have the chance to fight with such people and such bad undeserved opinions...

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hello Mikael. One reaction to your first question. You mean, Orlik had curly coat. But Orlik had parents too. He MUST have it from some parent. You can ask us: Why was in breeding his father Rep z PS, if he had not corect coat?......

Hello Hanka

I am sorry but I never askt about Orlik, or heas coat...

I think you mean Elf

Best regards / Mikael

[Hanka]

Yes, of course, sorry

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

Ok, but if there is an international database, why not to put information here? i do not see any reasons. The breeders and owners of other breeds get very surprised then they hear about such a great thing as wolfdog.org, why not to support it by information (not money, time or smth else)

Vaiva I agree with you, it would be nice and better if everybody did this, but I think people have the right to not care about internet or not to have interest about it ...this does not make them bad owners or breeders !
Don`t misunderstand me, I like this database a lot, but still not all people have to like the same or have same interests as me to be good owners/breeders/friends !

Greetings Rolf