La Louve Blanche - kennel

[furyos]

hi nebulosa ..sorry but my litter is in december 2006.. and if yu click on this annonce yu cansee ossa and merlin .. not wolwes ... sorry ... if yu read my word near this pictures it's write /pictures from a litter in 2005.. y NEVER say that it's mine ..... and y write pics speak itself to show that ... before the picture it's to speak about my first litter in 2006.. if yu don't understand french and some french too it's shame .. and for pics in dog show it's to show same dog in an other situation .. but yu put off the pics .. y don't understand why .. but it's YUR choice .. ot mine sorry ... y do my selection .. yu don't like . NO PROBLEM ..y don't care about this becase everybody canlike what they prefer .. but explain to me JUST ONE THING .. in 2006 y put pictures from my first litter and yu write it's IMPOSSIBLE to write it in the forum .. hy for MARTIOU 07 yu don't have same attitude ??? it's just a question ??? y m just curious about this .. yu hve not any obligation to reply ... but y m so happy to know that ... best regards paula... frank

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by furyos

hi nebulosa ..sorry but my litter is in december 2006.. and if yu click on this annonce yu cansee ossa and merlin .. not wolwes ... sorry ... if yu read my word near this pictures it's write /pictures from a litter in 2005.. y NEVER say that it's mine ..... and y write pics speak itself to show that ... before the picture it's to speak about my first litter in 2006.. if yu don't understand french and some french too it's shame .. and for pics in dog show it's to show same dog in an other situation .. but yu put off the pics .. y don't understand why .. but it's YUR choice .. ot mine sorry ... y do my selection .. yu don't like .

You change again the topic, surelly nobody here is talking about the photos of the CzW you put as mother and father, but the wolf hybrid litter photo you put as "De La louve Blanche litter in 2005" after all announce.

A litter from the family kernel de la louve blanche
picture of this litter 2005 speaks itself

une portee issue de l elevage familiale de la louve blanche
photo de cette portee de l annee 2005 parle d elle meme

the photo

Maybe, nor me, nor Elf nor Martiou and I think none French wich read it understand it's own lenguaje, only you.
But, the question continues, why this wolf hybrid photo as your kennel litter in 2005?

NO PROBLEM ..y don't care about this becase everybody canlike what they prefer .. but explain to me JUST ONE THING .. in 2006 y put pictures from my first litter and yu write it's IMPOSSIBLE to write it in the forum .. hy for MARTIOU 07 yu don't have same attitude ??? it's just a question ??? y m just curious about this .. yu hve not any obligation to reply ... but y m so happy to know that ... best regards paula... frank

Your topic about your first litter continues, it's the first post of this topic, you don't put pictures of your litter but your e-mail and fone contact for people wich is interessed in buy puppies, different of Martiou that only show it's litter and put the link for his blog, that nor even have contact for who're interessed in the litter, only photos and datas of the puppies and the mother.
Surelly,if he had commes here putting he's e-mail, fone and with messages for who want's buy the puppies as you do, I won't think twice in erase or censure it as I had made with your topic.

[furyos]

hi again paula .. ok for yur answer for martiou07.. y think it's correct .. for 3e time y explain to yu and french guys before .. ..look better this anonce ... y speak about litter 2006 .. litter 2005 is wolwes (or hybrid wolwes if yu want or prefer but 98 % wolfblood it a wolf for me) y find it in internet pictures .. y like this pics because it's a real wolf attitude with pupps like my females (ossa/yvanka/elia)with them ... and every body can note that .... if yu think this pics from my kennel it's so NICE compliment because y m so proud to have this type in france ..... if yu don't understand my answer . y don't try a 4e time .. look better .. the pics is not after the words .... first words is ...."une portee issue de l'elevage familiale" ( a litter in a family kennel" ...TO SPEAK ABOUT MERLIN AND OSSA ..ok ... then yu have the pics .. and in legend .. "la photo de cette portee en 2005 parle d'elle meme'' .. the pics from this litter in 2005 speak about ..(wha it's a wolf female with pupps ..) for all normal people they imagine in the future what ossa (in pics in the begining with merlin ) can look like with her pupps in december .... do yu understand now ????????.. pupps are note born yet and y don't have any pics from Ossa .. y show a pics with a wolf and pupps to show what it's the similar litter .. it's easy to understand .. people who visit me understand too .. just elf and martiou want see bad things in this annonce .. yu know what ..if y have a better pics from a wolf and pupp in internet y put again in my web site to showto everybody the wolwes what y like and what y want for my dogs .. if my explication is not satisfy for yu .. SORRY .. but y can imagine yu do that just to play . and now y m little tired about that .. y m little to older to do that .. ok ..well an other question ...do yu like ckYnai type or not ???.. yu don't say in yur last reply .. y suppose not but y m curious again to know yur opinion and in what yu don't like him ... best regards frank

[elf]

I remind you that I'm french native speaker and I know very well what you wrote and what was your goal with this disgusting advertising.

You have lame knowledge in genetic, you have lame knowledge in CsV blood line, you have lame knowledge in selection. You are a shame for the CsV in our country.

[furyos]

HUMMMMMMM............ y love and like yur reply .. have a nice day .... it will more easy to put next time .. BLABLABLABLA ........BIG KISS for elf and martiou my favorite frenchs guys ...

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by furyos

the pics is not after the words .... first words is ...."une portee issue de l'elevage familiale" ( a litter in a family kennel" ...TO SPEAK ABOUT MERLIN AND OSSA ..ok ... then yu have the pics .. and in legend .. "la photo de cette portee en 2005 parle d'elle meme'' .. the pics from this litter in 2005 speak about ..(wha it's a wolf female with pupps ..) for all normal people they imagine in the future what ossa (in pics in the begining with merlin ) can look like with her pupps in december .... do yu understand now ????????

No, it´s mistakable for everybody, and it seems that´s just what you want. Otherwise you would have taken this wolf-pic away.

[Rona]

Originally Posted by furyos

....for all normal people they imagine in the future what ossa (in pics in the begining with merlin ) can look like with her pupps in december .... .

Not for normal poeple, but rather for the naive ones.
It seems there are breeders that should urgently take a course in business ethics and decent advertising...

[furyos]

hi rona .. yes y can understand that .. and y m agree about that .. BUT (sorry y like this word) yu can note we couldn't do a selection withgout a model... ok carpathain wolf is our model(y m ok for that) but when yu see some dogs .. yu can note no look than any wolf but more dog german shepherd ... this is what y like in this breed .. have a real look from wolf with excellent behavoiur like a dog ... y show yu last pupps(2 dark male and 1 clear female) from volos and yvanka .... so so wolfish and good behaviour ....... owners like and are proud for their wolf look and dog mind.... best regards ...f

[Rona]

Originally Posted by furyos

hi rona .. yes y can understand that .. and y m agree about that .. BUT (sorry y like this word) yu can note we couldn't do a selection withgout a model... ok carpathain wolf is our model(y m ok for that) but when yu see some dogs .. yu can note no look than any wolf but more dog german shepherd ... this is what y like in this breed .. have a real look from wolf with excellent behavoiur like a dog ... y show yu last pupps(2 dark male and 1 clear female) from volos and yvanka .... so so wolfish and good behaviour ....... owners like and are proud for their wolf look and dog mind.... best regards ...f

Frank, I'm NOT naive

[furyos]

y send yu a mp .... naive or not .. it's not THE PROBLEM!!

[lupis]

Oh i realy not like to write more about breeders but you are so much boastful

Originally Posted by furyos

hi again paula .. ok for yur answer for martiou07.. y think it's correct .. for 3e time y explain to yu and french guys before .. ..look better this anonce ... y speak about litter 2006 .. litter 2005 is wolwes (or hybrid wolwes if yu want or prefer but 98 % wolfblood it a wolf for me) y find it in internet pictures .. y like this pics because it's a real wolf attitude with pupps like my females (ossa/yvanka/elia)with them ... and every body can note that .... if yu think this pics from my kennel it's so NICE compliment because y m so proud to have this type in france ..... if yu don't understand my answer . y don't try a 4e time .. look better .. the pics is not after the words .... first words is ...."une portee issue de l'elevage familiale" ( a litter in a family kennel" ...TO SPEAK ABOUT MERLIN AND OSSA ..ok ... then yu have the pics .. and in legend .. "la photo de cette portee en 2005 parle d'elle meme'' .. the pics from this litter in 2005 speak about ..(wha it's a wolf female with pupps ..) for all normal people they imagine in the future what ossa (in pics in the begining with merlin ) can look like with her pupps in december ....

Not you think it is lie and fraud? You lie puppy owners by publishing fake photos. On photo is not Ossa but wolf. And puppies of ossa and merlin in B litter not look like wolfes. Blue, boheme and blazy are not wolf looking like on photo. Your advertising is lie to people who want buy puppy.
And why you lie? if your dogs are so much wolf why you not publish photos of you dogs and not using photos from someone else? i think you use other wolf photos for beter selling puppies and because ossa is not very much wolf

Originally Posted by furyos

BUT strangely a real MARKETING contact on ... ... y m sure yu can suprise if y tell yu witchtch kennels (4 kennels actually in europe) write me in my private mail to want a puppy from me ..
(they think y have hybrids or pure wolwes ;..) and y explain it's not true BUT they don't care and want buy for them ... y don't understand this stupid topic .. but sure it's shame ... and y m not THE STARTER on .... french jalous guy put on if yu look history .......

For me it is normal some kennels want puppy from you because you make very good marketing. But no good breeders and i hope no breeders will copy you and not use wolf photos to make marketing
And you write about jalous guy but why you think elf is jalous? He is not breeder. Maybe he is like it because he is like me and not like people boasting as you? I just read his post on french forum and i say same and i think no good breeder will buy puppy like you make. Some of you dogs are very nice but are not dogs for breeding because of bad pedigree. I hear you not care for character only for show. I not say you have shy dogs but dog only good for show. In first page Daiva write wolfdogs is not breed for decoration but you breed dog for decoration. You have many dogs and you breed many puppies. But i see no exams and certificates. Only breeding look. You train with you wolfdogs something real?
Same is with breeding because for breeding you need health. And I see Yvanka, Volos and Queen have no HD-results. Responsible breeder not breed with dog with no HD result. Same with mating. Elf write about you last litter. You use hungarian line crying wolf but everybody know hungarian dogs have more bad hd in pedigree as other breeders. And you mix crying wolf with crying wolf and make it serious. You last litter i see is volos and ossa and in 3 generation i see 14 dogs but only 2 are healthy and have HD-A and other dogs with HD-B and HD-C and no results. I see breeder write in french forum you do inbreed in Drcas Dorka with HD-C. I not know good wolfdog breeder who use dog with pedigree with so many bad results

You write bad words about other french breeders but for me they are true because you make bad work. Maybe you have some nice dogs but for me only bad breeders who not care for healthy dogs will use puppies from you connections. You do show only and no trainig and nothing for character. But it is not big problem because many breeders make like you and do nothing with their dogs so you are no so much different. But i not know other so bad connection with so many bad hd results like crying wolf and you (you more). I not want blame you about bad hd results but i write what everybody see in pedigree. In italy we have more breeders who like you use for breeding dogs with no hd results. but i not know one breeder in italy breeding with so bad pedigrees with so many bad hd results
if you think your work is good and other people are only jalous i think you have big problem because you not see you breed wrong and you never change. I not a breeder but only person searching for puppy and good connection for me but i think i know much more about good breeding and making good connection as you

[Mikael]

Furyos (Frank) will not answer for about 7 days...
He is orderd on a holiday

Regards / Mikael

[elf]

About dysplasia, often, breeders argue that genetic is a mystery... Well, we were talking about Crying Wolf, let's see a case study of alleles propagation:

Twice mating: Durcás Dorka Fehérlófia (HD-C) x Koro z Krotkovského dvora (HD-C), three HD result for offsprings: B=1, C=1, E=1

Checking propagation: Depth 1:
Briza Crying Wolf (HD-?) x Fallko Kollárov dvor (HD-B): A=1, B=1, C=1, D=1
Boston Crying Wolf (HD-?) x Demon Crying Wolf (HD-A): B=1, D=2

Depth 2:
Lupus Crying Wolf (HD-B) x Ciba z Mìsta Sadské (HD-A): A=1, B=1, C=1, E=1.


Other examples of dysplasic dogs in the breed having an important transmission inertia:

Camei ze Smaragových vodopádů1 (HD-E): Depth=1 -----> E=1
Aska z Kolářova dvora (HD-E): Depth=2 -----> C=2, D=1

Brita ze Šedého dolu CS (HD-D): Depth=3 -----> A=15, B=18, C=4, D=2, E=5
Arila z Jundrovského boru CS (HD-D): Depth=2 -----> B=2, C=1, E=2
Eta Pohostinstvo CS (HD-D): Depth=2 -----> A=13, B=5, C=6, E=5, D=6
Amor z Ringhoferova dvora CS (HD-D): Depth=3 -----> A=3, B=1, C=1, E=1, D=1
Deli Hlas divočiny CS (HD-D): Depth=1 -----> D=1
Alma Kanakor CS (HD-D): Depth=1 -----> C=2, E=1

Nick Šedá eminence (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> A=2, E=1
Durcás Dorka Fehérlófia (HD-C): Depth=3 -----> A=13, C=5, B=11, E=2, D=3
Hagga Kollárov dvor (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> A=1, B=1, E=1, D=1
Bad Vlčí naděje (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> C=1, D=1
Utah du Clos des Deux Sapins (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> D=2
Alexa De-To (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> B=1, E=1
Bena od Kubinca (HD-C): Depth=3 -----> A=12, C=6, B=10, E=1, D=4
Elsa z Molu CS (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> E=1
Hanka Šedá eminence (HD-C): Depth=2 -----> A=4, C=6, E=1
Aris Hlas divočiny CS (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> A=1, C=2, E=2, D=1
Betty z Uher (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> A=2, C=2, B=1, D=2
Bryta z Dolních Maršovic CS (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> E=1
Dia Dakmat (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> A=6, C=1, B=1, D=2
Baghira Zelený paprsek (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> E=1
Alexa z Porčova mlýna (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> A=3, C=4, B=1
Ajax Břevnovská stopa CS (HD-C): Depth=3 -----> A=40, C=16, B=29, E=8, D=9
Afra Crying Wolf (HD-C): Depth=3 -----> A=4, C=1, B=6, E=1, D=2
Brita ZepeÅ™ CS (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> B=1, D=4
Canis z Molu CS (HD-C): Depth=2 -----> A=8, C=3, B=3, E=1, D=3
Britt z Molu CS (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> C=1, D=1
Borka II z Rosíkova CS (HD-C): Depth=3 -----> A=12, C=4, B=10, E=1, D=5
Jessika z Litavské kotliny (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> A=3, C=1, B=1, E=1, D=1
Koro z Krotkovského dvora (HD-C): Depth=2 -----> A=5, C=4, B=8, E=1, D=3
Ira z Litavské kotliny CS (HD-C): Depth=1 -----> A=3, C=1, E=1, D=1
Abe z Molu CS (HD-C): Depth=2 -----> A=25, C=14, B=2, E=6, D=4
Asta z Tondova CS (HD-C): Depth=2 -----> A=26, C=15, B=1, E=7, D=7
Colt Zeper (HD-A): Depth=1 -----> A=2, C=5, B=2, E=10, D=2

This not to point some or some other, but to ask breeders to take care when they linebreed on some dogs (or use bad HD pedigree dogs) and when they have doubts on wanted mating to ask around experienced breeders for advises, as there is not so much mystery.