"List" of typical csv cross defect?

[wolfin]

Only DNA test help for You in UK and USA.
who speak breeder... not all thime be true. And if I mas buy pupps from UK, only with DNA test. (like and in others countrys )

[elf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Only DNA test help for You in UK and USA.
who speak breeder... not all thime be true. And if I mas buy pupps from UK, only with DNA test. (like and in others countrys )

I would add that I would be very careful of the blood taken policies as there are laboratories that accept blood samples taken by the breeder. You need to have an official vet involved who will check dogs identification.

[elf]

Another existing problem: incompatibility between laboratories from different countries which don't use same markers.

[wolfin]

Yes, but we cann make this in this same laboratorium.
when we mas make DNA in Lithua, we send all info and blood to Germany laboratorium, and if we cann send in this laboratorium, I think all test we cann make in one laboratorium or have list, who have this same markers, and send in this.

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Only DNA test help for You in UK and USA.
who speak breeder... not all thime be true. And if I mas buy pupps from UK, only with DNA test. (like and in others countrys )

Oh yes, I will definitely "do my research" when I buy or breed - for myself. Here is the problem: The AKC requires DNA testing before registering litters from foreign born litters. But after that, if both parents are born in the US, no DNA test is required to register with the AKC - only the pedigrees of the dam/sire have to be sent in, no DNA tests, no health results, no show or training results. This system is very flawed, and while it may never be a problem for my own eventual breeding program, it could become a huge issue for the breed overall in the US, especially if a dishonest breeder registers a crossed litter as pure, and one of the dogs bites or attacks someone - it would be a huge scandal.

This is the reason I try to know as much about the dogs in the US and Canada as I can. I want to know about the dogs in the UK too, because many Americans look to the UK next as a place to import CSVs from - not because of the quality of dogs, or any other good reason, but mainly because they are scared of the language barrier, and don't realize that many people outside of the UK in Europe also speak perfectly good English...

All the best,
Marcy

[wolfin]

hmmm, if people have problem with language.... and... only this problem to import CSW... I scare, who wolfdog be in US?

but I think (sorry if not be ) problem in people mentalitet, I be from Lithua, me first bitch be from Czech Republik- we speak in misling language- one word english 2 rusish, other polish, next maybe with dictionary i wright czech, but - we not see in this problem, now I have friend in all Europa and Amerika, and we speak we cann, all language who know be good to dogs owners speak, only You mass WISH .

sorry from OT.

[Nebulosa]

Well... perfectly good english maybe not, its something that almost only who live in the country will be able to do.. and even that not all people.
look here, I think you're the only one wich write english perfectly, and we all are understanding each other. If someone try to talk with me by fone in english I will try do my best possible for we understand each other, wouldn't be a perfect english, but something possible to understand
I know that a have some breeders even in origin country talk and write in english good enough to be possible understand.. something
Is they care for quality surelly the lenguage may not be a true barrier.

[GalomyOak]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Well... perfectly good english maybe not, its something that almost only who live in the country will be able to do.. and even that not all people.
look here, I think you're the only one wich write english perfectly, and we all are understanding each other. If someone try to talk with me by fone in english I will try do my best possible for we understand each other, wouldn't be a perfect english, but something possible to understand
I know that a have some breeders even in origin country talk and write in english good enough to be possible understand.. something
Is they care for quality surelly the lenguage may not be a true barrier.

Of course, Americans looking for good quality will ignore the language barrier...and very truthfully members that don't use English as a first language write better English on wolfdog.org than many Americans I have to deal with (especially as a teacher!) use on a daily basis. Seriously! I admire the English skills on this site! I only wish my French after 8 years of study was as good!

It's those "other" Americans looking for convenience, and those that don't do good research, and do what seems safe or easy, but have plenty of money to spend, that scare me - usually no good breeder would sell to these people, unless they made a mistake, or were lied to. But a crossbreeder (unfortunately there are several in the UK) hungry for money, with no care... I get emails from Americans all the time - people that are scared of foreign language, and looking for a CSV. I use the "opportunity" to teach them a lesson on what to look for in a good breeder, and how owning a CSV is not "easy" or a decision made quickly. And, for those people that seem good and serious and knowledgeable, and are thinking about importing, I assure them language is no problem.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wildenmorgen

Oh yes, I will definitely "do my research" when I buy or breed - for myself. Here is the problem: The AKC requires DNA testing before registering litters from foreign born litters. But after that, if both parents are born in the US, no DNA test is required to register with the AKC - only the pedigrees of the dam/sire have to be sent in, no DNA tests, no health results, no show or training results. This system is very flawed, and while it may never be a problem for my own eventual breeding program, it could become a huge issue for the breed overall in the US, especially if a dishonest breeder registers a crossed litter as pure, and one of the dogs bites or attacks someone - it would be a huge scandal.

This is the reason I try to know as much about the dogs in the US and Canada as I can. I want to know about the dogs in the UK too, because many Americans look to the UK next as a place to import CSVs from - not because of the quality of dogs, or any other good reason, but mainly because they are scared of the language barrier, and don't realize that many people outside of the UK in Europe also speak perfectly good English...

All the best,
Marcy

in uk in past 6 yrs there has only been 3 litters of pure CSVs bred, two by myself , we stopped breeding programe as we wanted to increase the gene pool no sense in producing pups all related bad news,,, we are now concentrating on importing more dogs which we are doing right now, we can put breeding restrictions on pups we breed, this restriction is with the kennel club, to get restriction lifted so you can breed, the dog must have all health tests done, if all is o.k. the dog can be used to breed from, if it fails or if new owner does not have health tests done then any pups bred will be refused registration papers and pedigrees, the kennel club in uk agree to this for us. so in future you will have no fears of buying dogs from u.k. if buying dog from u.k. you can ask kennel club direct for proof of pedigree via email, also will be all results of health tests from both parents and microchips of parents and dog or pup you wish to buy, any breeder of pure dogs will supply you with this information and you can varify it with kennel club, you can also check pedigrees on wolfdog.org, you can then work back and see what parents and grand parents look like, my second litter i wanted to improve on coat and hight, i checked for weeks on this site i seen dog and then looked at pedigree, then went back to see grand parents and so on, and i went to Holland and used dog from VanGOVERWELL kennel, i got what i wanted a fantastic litter, improved dogs. i have been breeding dogs for 34 yrs and still learning,,, we will have the CSVs at discoverdogs at crufts in 2009 and have articles going into magazines to promote the breed, 2009 will be the year for the CSVsin u.k. we took 6yrs to change the law now our dogs will demand the respect they deserve and all the dangerous wild animal crap is gone for good,,,,,,,,,,pacino

[elf]

the dog must have all health tests done, if all is o.k. the dog can be used to breed from

Which health diseases are tested ? What are the tests and protocols for them ?

What is the list of health trouble that will forbid a dog to breed, and what is the list of health trouble that will not forbid a dog to breed or under which conditions ?

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Only DNA test help for You in UK and USA.
who speak breeder... not all thime be true. And if I mas buy pupps from UK, only with DNA test. (like and in others countrys )

all the CWS in uk are originally from Europe have pedigree and export pedigree from FCI, the pups from these dogs will now be registered by uk kennel club and have pedigrees, how many CSW in Europe DNA tested ? not a lot,, and how come we see dogs not pure CWS with pedigrees in Europe? please tell us in uk how this happens? the CWS to be registered in uk are all pure bred we make sure of this, i breed my bitch with reputable breeder from Holland, we import male from reputable breeder in Europe for second litter, all dogs health tested, we look at pedigrees and photos on wolfdog.org before we buy from Europe, so we take all steps to make sure we have pure dog, look on this site and see now many variations of the breed in Europe, small dogs, dogs with no substance, CWS that are timid and shy, look at many new up comming health problems and just over last 5-8 yrs, many posts asking about health problems, so all is not o.k. in Europe, i only wish it was, but here in uk we have great opertunity to breed only from good health tested dogs, if health problem is on tests then no pups from the breeding if done will be registered by kennel club, we have only 28 CWS to DNA so at present we are doing well in uk, thank you regards pacino