Crying Wolf - kennel

elf · 11-12-2008, 15:27

At some point consanguinity is need BUT...

- Regarding the genetic pool for the CsV we are already rather far (indeed I personnaly don't know how long the breed can survive without new wolf blood, it really can (as there are enough) but only with an international agreement on CsV breeding scheme, but it's another question...).

- Consanguinity for fixing a type ? It not absolutely needed, there are other breeding ways.

- It as already be proven that high consanguinity:
-- leads to rise up genetic diseases (as 3/4 of dogs genetic diseases propagate thought autosomal recessive scheme)
-- leads to shorter life, in some breeds consanguinity between 8% and 20% reduce the life of 4 years.

So a deep care to this point must be done by future breeders.

furyos · 11-12-2008, 15:35

HUMMMMM........................................... ........................................

:sh ock:

......................... ........................................Edit please .....yu can just note one thing ..... JALOUSY ........ that's all ...... this guys have common dogs and nothing exceptionnal .... that IS THE REAL problem ..... nothing else ..... when yu have not a pure CSW(mix beetween white german shepherd) or a common csw (no title ).. what yu do ? yu try to find something wrong in the best ..... good reflexions ..... f

martiou07 · 11-12-2008, 15:47

Furyos, I put questions with the person who dictates you what to make, like you n' ace never could answer it, I require of him. D' as much more than you do not reproduce anything d' other that its work in l' together. As regards d' a not titrated bitch, and then?? you n' ace not included/understood that is not a dog is not titrated; it should not reproduce, and especially that the titles n' bring anything to its puppies, put aside as in your case, to sell pups more easily
jealousy, certainly not, like I t' already, I made include/understand do not see any interest for ego d' to have a dog of the style of the cryingwolf, thanks to you let us be invaded we by it in France, nothing good interesting for the control of l' breeding of the dog wolf in France….finally this is another subject. thus thank you Furyos not to intervene more in a discution but you n' do not be able to include/understand

to return from there to my question Mrs Molnar, this one n' no back has thought, I just make a point of including/understanding what pushes you to do that

elf · 11-12-2008, 16:01

Very funny Frank it's exactly what Edit said to Margo in this thread: jealousy: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...?t=9341&page=4

It's the only answer people can find when they have not the ability to answer breeding scheme questions (consanguinity, HD ...). In fact in this thread we have two more answers: 1) the database is false and 2) Hungary has the stricter HD examination. We won't have any real answers, that's all.

furyos · 12-12-2008, 00:52

hi ELF .. BUT WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE DO YU WANT ????

.. when yu note that it's ALLWAYS this way of bad discussions (for real good dogs) is note ???? allways edit molnar /or passo del lupo /or de la louve blanche ..etc ...are on this sort of discussions / y never note kennel with real bad results on ?? WHY ???? crying wolf kennel win a lot in beauty dog show .. THAT it's TRUE !!! caracther for her dogs are allways in discussionS .... and y prove with volos/blue /merlin .. etc they are NOT SHY ... then yu speak about hd .. .. but mine are A:A or A/B .... and pupps too .... ... now yu speak about consanguinity .... (15 /19 % is not a scandal in a new breed like our breed) and some marriage prove a real good work on ..EXPLAIN TO ME NOW THE REAL PROBLEM???? because a lot of people in europe or other countries like this type ?? yes and some prefer an other one !!!! personaly y like some kennels and not alls !!!! this is human taste !!!! Breeders do what they want in their mind.. it's THEIR RESPONSABILITIES !!!!! .... and we don't need personn like YU !!! who say or think stupid reflexions to help "y don't know really what or WHO ???? good reflexions .. FOR MARTIOU ... NO COMMENT ... y wait the results for this new breeder !!!!!

.. best regards ... f

martiou07 · 12-12-2008, 01:17

too much consanguinity is not a scandal, very well

, it's your opinion, could you argue a little more please ??

Newbie breeder, Furyos, differ of you I had wait for know better the breed before make litters, I hadn't take addult dogs with the will to have pups quickly

furyos · 12-12-2008, 01:25

MR MARTIOU Can yu write english correctly please ? because yur reply is not really clear !!!! or if yu can't ....try to use an other translator for yur ideas ... it will be more serious .... best regards .. (if yu think (if y read beetween yur words)y buy just adults for my kennel .. yu do a real mistake.. but in my first selection .. YES definitivly .. because y want to see and have exactly what y like in my house and not a black and white wolfdog like yur.. sorry ... no same taste ..after volos arrive and really y NEVER have any desapoint ...)

11-12-2008, 15:35	#2
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	HUMMMMM........................................... ........................................:sh ock:......................... ........................................Edit please .....yu can just note one thing ..... JALOUSY ........ that's all ...... this guys have common dogs and nothing exceptionnal .... that IS THE REAL problem ..... nothing else ..... when yu have not a pure CSW(mix beetween white german shepherd) or a common csw (no title ).. what yu do ? yu try to find something wrong in the best ..... good reflexions ..... f

11-12-2008, 15:47	#3
martiou07 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: France Posts: 1,986	Furyos, I put questions with the person who dictates you what to make, like you n' ace never could answer it, I require of him. D' as much more than you do not reproduce anything d' other that its work in l' together. As regards d' a not titrated bitch, and then?? you n' ace not included/understood that is not a dog is not titrated; it should not reproduce, and especially that the titles n' bring anything to its puppies, put aside as in your case, to sell pups more easily jealousy, certainly not, like I t' already, I made include/understand do not see any interest for ego d' to have a dog of the style of the cryingwolf, thanks to you let us be invaded we by it in France, nothing good interesting for the control of l' breeding of the dog wolf in France….finally this is another subject. thus thank you Furyos not to intervene more in a discution but you n' do not be able to include/understand to return from there to my question Mrs Molnar, this one n' no back has thought, I just make a point of including/understanding what pushes you to do that __________________ Last edited by martiou07; 11-12-2008 at 15:58.

12-12-2008, 00:52	#5
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	hi ELF .. BUT WHAT KIND OF RESPONSE DO YU WANT ???? .. when yu note that it's ALLWAYS this way of bad discussions (for real good dogs) is note ???? allways edit molnar /or passo del lupo /or de la louve blanche ..etc ...are on this sort of discussions / y never note kennel with real bad results on ?? WHY ???? crying wolf kennel win a lot in beauty dog show .. THAT it's TRUE !!! caracther for her dogs are allways in discussionS .... and y prove with volos/blue /merlin .. etc they are NOT SHY ... then yu speak about hd .. .. but mine are A:A or A/B .... and pupps too .... ... now yu speak about consanguinity .... (15 /19 % is not a scandal in a new breed like our breed) and some marriage prove a real good work on ..EXPLAIN TO ME NOW THE REAL PROBLEM???? because a lot of people in europe or other countries like this type ?? yes and some prefer an other one !!!! personaly y like some kennels and not alls !!!! this is human taste !!!! Breeders do what they want in their mind.. it's THEIR RESPONSABILITIES !!!!! .... and we don't need personn like YU !!! who say or think stupid reflexions to help "y don't know really what or WHO ???? good reflexions .. FOR MARTIOU ... NO COMMENT ... y wait the results for this new breeder !!!!!.. best regards ... f

12-12-2008, 01:17	#6
martiou07 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: France Posts: 1,986	too much consanguinity is not a scandal, very well , it's your opinion, could you argue a little more please ?? Newbie breeder, Furyos, differ of you I had wait for know better the breed before make litters, I hadn't take addult dogs with the will to have pups quickly __________________ Last edited by martiou07; 12-12-2008 at 01:46.

11-12-2008, 15:27	#1
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	At some point consanguinity is need BUT... - Regarding the genetic pool for the CsV we are already rather far (indeed I personnaly don't know how long the breed can survive without new wolf blood, it really can (as there are enough) but only with an international agreement on CsV breeding scheme, but it's another question...). - Consanguinity for fixing a type ? It not absolutely needed, there are other breeding ways. - It as already be proven that high consanguinity: -- leads to rise up genetic diseases (as 3/4 of dogs genetic diseases propagate thought autosomal recessive scheme) -- leads to shorter life, in some breeds consanguinity between 8% and 20% reduce the life of 4 years. So a deep care to this point must be done by future breeders.

11-12-2008, 16:01	#4
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Very funny Frank it's exactly what Edit said to Margo in this thread: jealousy: http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...?t=9341&page=4 It's the only answer people can find when they have not the ability to answer breeding scheme questions (consanguinity, HD ...). In fact in this thread we have two more answers: 1) the database is false and 2) Hungary has the stricter HD examination. We won't have any real answers, that's all.

12-12-2008, 01:25	#7
furyos Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 729	MR MARTIOU Can yu write english correctly please ? because yur reply is not really clear !!!! or if yu can't ....try to use an other translator for yur ideas ... it will be more serious .... best regards .. (if yu think (if y read beetween yur words)y buy just adults for my kennel .. yu do a real mistake.. but in my first selection .. YES definitivly .. because y want to see and have exactly what y like in my house and not a black and white wolfdog like yur.. sorry ... no same taste ..after volos arrive and really y NEVER have any desapoint ...)