Offspring´s

Vaiva · 16-12-2008, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Mikael

You do not se a problem whit inbreeding and inbreeding desiases

And litters whit a COI on 25% or more on 5 generations

I am

but glad that you se HD as a problem...

Regards / Mikael

You are playing words now. I just say, that not all the puppies of same stud are used in breeding, so it is good if a good stud has a lot of children. Inbreeding is for professionals, there is no need for you or me to use it in breeding.

Mikael · 16-12-2008, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Inbreeding is for professionals

Read Elf´s link and get back to me about the proffessional part

I think the problem might be that future breeders will have no choice,
if the population of CsV are totaly inbreed already when they start

Regards / Mikael

Vaiva · 16-12-2008, 19:02

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Originally Posted by Mikael

Read Elf´s link and get back to me about the proffessional part

I think the problem might be that future breeders will have no choice,
if the population of CsV are totaly inbreed already when they start

Regards / Mikael

Please, don't tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go.

Somehow it doesn't seem to be SUCH a problem in our breed

Not that hard to find a stud, which is not closely related with your female.

Mikael · 16-12-2008, 19:11

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Originally Posted by Vaiva

Please, don't tell me what to do and I will not tell you where to go.

Somehow it doesn't seem to be SUCH a problem in our breed

Not that hard to find a stud, which is not closely related with your female.

Sorry, I did mean...

PLEASE, Read Elf´s link and get back to me about the proffessional part

And maby then you will se this all as a problem ???

Best regards / Mikael

elf · 16-12-2008, 19:33

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Somehow it doesn't seem to be SUCH a problem in our breed

Not that hard to find a stud, which is not closely related with your female.

I have a darker view. It's currently not easy to mate two CsV and get a COI less than 20% on the full pedigree (and I guess nearly impossible less than 15%). Nowadays example, last 5 mating announced on this site: 18.53%, 23.72%, 30.89%, 20.78%, 27.10%. These numbers carry meaning.

wolfin · 16-12-2008, 19:37

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Originally Posted by elf

I have a darker view. It's currently not easy to mate two CsV and get a COI less than 20% on the full pedigree (and I guess nearly impossible less than 15%). Nowadays example, last 5 mating announced on this site: 18.53%, 23.72%, 30.89%, 20.78%, 27.10%. These numbers carry meaning.

please cann thake link to this mate? thanks.

elf · 16-12-2008, 19:40

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Originally Posted by wolfin

please cann thake link to this mate? thanks.

I did not go complicated

, just took the last five announced on the site:

http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/956.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/953.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/951.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/942.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/litters/940.html

wolfin · 16-12-2008, 19:54

no izvini- niemogu etovo dat

secret info from ones russian kennel.

elf · 16-12-2008, 20:12

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Originally Posted by wolfin

no izvini- niemogu etovo dat

secret info from ones russian kennel.

Vsyo u vas tam zasecrecheno, hot i SSSR davno ne suchshestvuet

Mozhet byt, v drugoi raz ...

wolfin · 16-12-2008, 20:15

sorry I live in Lithua not Russia and pasport have lithua, and please no name me like russian people, but material have in russish, polish, czech, slovakian lanquaqe.

Mikael · 16-12-2008, 22:23

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Originally Posted by elf

I have a darker view. It's currently not easy to mate two CsV and get a COI less than 20% on the full pedigree (and I guess nearly impossible less than 15%). Nowadays example, last 5 mating announced on this site: 18.53%, 23.72%, 30.89%, 20.78%, 27.10%. These numbers carry meaning.

Thanks for this info, it is horrible numbers, but I´m not suprised

Regards / Mikael

Mikael · 16-12-2008, 22:48

What kind of inbreeding diseases will show up first,
Are there any common signs to look for ???

What is normaly a healthy % of COI ???

How hard will it be to get the COI back to 15% from 20-30% on a total pedigree ???

Regards / Mikael

elf · 17-12-2008, 14:34

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What is normaly a healthy % of COI ???

Depends... because first it's needed to breed away for harmful alleles, only then one can breed for diversity. On the other side it has been proved many times higher inbreeded dogs lived some years less than lower inbreeded dogs (same for genetic diseases incidence).
Nowadays for the CsV, breeders should try to be less than 10% on five generations (as this is the mean value on 5 generations).

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Mikael Scandinavian Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stockholm Posts: 1,089	Back to topic What kind of inbreeding diseases will show up first, Are there any common signs to look for ??? What is normaly a healthy % of COI ??? How hard will it be to get the COI back to 15% from 20-30% on a total pedigree ??? Regards / Mikael __________________ _________________________________________________ Hronec, Rasty, Zilja Kennel, Wolfdog of Sweden* http://kennelwolfdogofsweden.vpsite.se/Home.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wolfdo...53067971392916 Last edited by Mikael; 16-12-2008 at 22:51.