Northern inuit dog

[saschia]

tikaani - I agree that not selling pups to Britain is not good. But on the other hand - if I have three pups, where should I sell them - somewhere they will for almost sure be used in good breeding, or somewhere where everybody does whatever they want?

On the other hand - if you have a female, you can come and mate her on the continent. Lots of people travel long distances for mating, so you can, too.

Best of luck to all good and honest breeders all over the world

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by saschia

tikaani - I agree that not selling pups to Britain is not good. But on the other hand - if I have three pups, where should I sell them - somewhere they will for almost sure be used in good breeding, or somewhere where everybody does whatever they want?

On the other hand - if you have a female, you can come and mate her on the continent. Lots of people travel long distances for mating, so you can, too.

Best of luck to all good and honest breeders all over the world

problem is if people dont sell to the uk then the dogs will end up cross bread and bad quality as there is only a few blood lines over here. there are only a few people crossing them over here but unfortunatly they are all you here about as there are so few pure bread cwds here and even if people did go abroad to bread then what would be stoping them crossing the liter when the pups have grown up, that solution just wouldnt work. there are a lot of honist good people and breeeders over here, i think giving trhem a chance would be the best course of action. most people who have cross breads only have them as they couldnt have a full breed CWD now they can they would prefer to get a pur breed so that alone should stop the cross breeding....

[wolfin]

Moment, Saschia say who cann make - travel to Europa to mate, or... have this very problematic to make? If wish breed normal CSW, cann and mate in others lands.

[Navajo]

Originally Posted by tikaani

problem is if people dont sell to the uk then the dogs will end up cross bread and bad quality as there is only a few blood lines over here. there are only a few people crossing them over here but unfortunatly they are all you here about as there are so few pure bread cwds here and even if people did go abroad to bread then what would be stoping them crossing the liter when the pups have grown up, that solution just wouldnt work. there are a lot of honist good people and breeeders over here, i think giving trhem a chance would be the best course of action. most people who have cross breads only have them as they couldnt have a full breed CWD now they can they would prefer to get a pur breed so that alone should stop the cross breeding....

I disagree, there's half and quarter Czechs and Saarloos all over the place. I understand why, at the time this has happened but now both breeds are legal I see no point in it continuing.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by saschia

tikaani - I agree that not selling pups to Britain is not good. But on the other hand - if I have three pups, where should I sell them - somewhere they will for almost sure be used in good breeding, or somewhere where everybody does whatever they want?

On the other hand - if you have a female, you can come and mate her on the continent. Lots of people travel long distances for mating, so you can, too.

Best of luck to all good and honest breeders all over the world

Hi i agree my bitch was mated in Europe, and there was nothing to stop other czech owners from doing the same thing, every time you sell a pup how do you know the person will not cross breed, how do you know they will not be cruel to the pup, you can only go visit there home and take there word for being true, other wise you would never breed,

[Navajo]

Originally Posted by saschia

tikaani - I agree that not selling pups to Britain is not good. But on the other hand - if I have three pups, where should I sell them - somewhere they will for almost sure be used in good breeding, or somewhere where everybody does whatever they want?

On the other hand - if you have a female, you can come and mate her on the continent. Lots of people travel long distances for mating, so you can, too.

Best of luck to all good and honest breeders all over the world

I agree, however what about breeding contracts, you can only breed from the bitch/dog to a pure bred bitch/dog, that means that those who want to breed pure can and the rest can forget importing a pure bred to cross.

Is AI an option in the dog world?

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by Navajo

I agree, however what about breeding contracts, you can only breed from the bitch/dog to a pure bred bitch/dog, that means that those who want to breed pure can and the rest can forget importing a pure bred to cross.

Is AI an option in the dog world?

I quite agree I would have no problem about having a contract for only breeding with uther CSD... If this meens Getting a new dogs into the country im sure most people would be happy with it and if they wernt, dont sell to them.....

[wolfin]

very personely reaction maybe ...
I reply to this "breeder" who say: "i use the european wolf only"

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Navajo

I agree, however what about breeding contracts, you can only breed from the bitch/dog to a pure bred bitch/dog, that means that those who want to breed pure can and the rest can forget importing a pure bred to cross.

Is AI an option in the dog world?

What is AI?

Breeding contracts are a nice thing but don´t help in the end because we talk about different countries what makes legal action very difficult. And if the contract is broken there are several mixed puppies causing more problems.

I don´t think serious people will have a problem finding new blood. But this would mean:

1. to look for good puppies all over Europe not just next door or in the next country.

2. Go to meetings, visit breeders, get informed especially in the countries of origin (and both of them) and in countries that follow their rules. Go to special Club shows with qualified judges and to bonitations.
You won´t have a problem to get new blood if people see you care for that and you will meet good breeders there.

3. Not to think that it is enough to buy a few dogs and breed in your own country. That won´t work. I you are serious to build up proper breeding you will have to travel a lot for mating, bonitations and shows. Travel to the other end of Europe when necessary, and it will be necessary very often.

4. Not to follow some "specialists" in your own country but to make up your mind and to learn by yourself, what only works following 2.

All of this will take years, a lot of time and a lot of money but for me it is the only way. I wouldn´t mind to sell a puppy to GB if I would know the person and would see he cares and knows his breed.

Ina

[saschia]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

What is AI?

I think it means artificial insemination? In Slovak breeding rules I think it is allowed and I can see that there might be occasion where AI would be beneficial, but it always should be used only if normal breeding is out of the question (like breeding bitch by male from another continent).

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

You won´t have a problem to get new blood if people see you care for that and you will meet good breeders there. ... I wouldn´t mind to sell a puppy to GB if I would know the person and would see he cares and knows his breed.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant in my previous post.

[Navajo]

Ina,

If it has to take years then so be it. All great things are worth the wait.

I like the idea of potential owners and breeders visiting the shows and perhaps having visits to the larger European kennels, maybe that's a possibility?

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Navajo

Ina,

If it has to take years then so be it. All great things are worth the wait.

I like the idea of potential owners and breeders visiting the shows and perhaps having visits to the larger European kennels, maybe that's a possibility?

In my opinion that is the only way to get a good dog from a good breeder no matter what breed you want to buy. And I wouldn´t go for the larger kennels but to the kennels with the best dogs and the most satisfied puppyowners, who you get to know on meetings. The largest ones are not necessarily the best ones - though they can be.

Ina

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by Navajo

I agree, however what about breeding contracts, you can only breed from the bitch/dog to a pure bred bitch/dog, that means that those who want to breed pure can and the rest can forget importing a pure bred to cross.

Is AI an option in the dog world?

hi steven ferguson from scotland sat in my house and signed an agreement which my wife witnessed that he would never cross bred his cwd he also signed that the dog was for him and not being sold on to third party, he cross bred the dog after 1 yr, so a contract is not worth the paper it is written on, i could go to scotland and take the dog, but then i end up in prison, the only reason i do not go and take the dog is because i have wife and two young children to think of, so if you read this steven think yourself lucky i have much to loose or i would be at your door for my dog,, it is possable to AI in uk with premission of the kennel club,,,,

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by saschia

On the other hand - if you have a female, you can come and mate her on the continent. Lots of people travel long distances for mating, so you can, too.

I agree this is one way, but I do not see any reasen to not sell CsV puppys to the UK today.

If the UK not get new CsV bood the mixing of breeds will go one or there will bee inbreeding worning on the pure CsV...

Better not sell to the breeders that you know are mixing today...

Regards / Mikael

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Hi,

before making plans about breeding purebred Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs in the UK, why don't we start using the the correct the name?
Instead of using the word "Czech", which is not quite polite to Slovak breeders and owners, the correct term "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog" or if it's too long maybe CsW would be at least a start in the right direction in the UK.
The Slovakian Republic got the patronage on the breed and without Slovakian civil breeders in the 60's and 70's the breed would not exist at all.
By the way, though it's my opinion too this proposal was made by a Slovak judge of the breed months ago.

Thanks,
Michael

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn

Hi,

before making plans about breeding purebred Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs in the UK, why don't we start using the the correct the name?
Instead of using the word "Czech", which is not quite polite to Slovak breeders and owners, the correct term "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog" or if it's too long maybe CsW would be at least a start in the right direction in the UK.
The Slovakian Republic got the patronage on the breed and without Slovakian civil breeders in the 60's and 70's the breed would not exist at all.
By the way, though it's my opinion too this proposal was made by a Slovak judge of the breed months ago.

Thanks,
Michael

people know what they are called, its just the way they shorten it, its not to couse affence but just to save time. we have had that argument on anuther post. this is about a different subjuect so please keep to it thank you.