Northern inuit dog

[Navajo]

Paul,

I can see the logic in introducing new blood in the form of a pure European wolf to improve the breed but my only question would be, where would the high wolf content offspring end up? Obviously they wouldn't be classed as 'pets'.

I do disagree with one of your comments regarding no two inuit/inuit type dogs looking alike. One Devon breeder has definitely bred alot of very similar looking pups and dogs and often you'd be hard pushed to tell that they weren't pure bred.

[wolfin]

Sory, but now you make only mix and pet, and not help to breed, but play God.
This cann make SK club and not others. Yours dog all thime be only mix and not be real pure CSW and now and 10 or more year latter.
and You and others from UK make big eyes when breeder not wish sale for UK pupps.

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Sory, but now you make only mix and pet, and not help to breed, but play God.
This cann make SK club and not others. Yours dog all thime be only mix and not be real pure CSW and now and 10 or more year latter.
and You and others from UK make big eyes when breeder not wish sale for UK pupps.

i dont breed or cross breed but i want to bread mine next year, just becouse there are a few breeders that do dusnt mean we all will or do. dont tell me that there isnt any breeders out side the uk who has never cross bread . just becouse some do dont ruin it for the rest of us. seems to me u just dont want them over here for your own interests. maybe u dont get on with one or two of the breaders over here, thats your problem but dont take it out on the rest of the people over here.....

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by tikaani

i dont breed or cross breed but i want to bread mine next year, just becouse there are a few breeders that do dusnt mean we all will or do. dont tell me that there isnt any breeders out side the uk who has never cross bread . just becouse some do dont ruin it for the rest of us. seems to me u just dont want them over here for your own interests. maybe u dont get on with one or two of the breaders over here, thats your problem but dont take it out on the rest of the people over here.....

If you are not a breeder, someone else must have made this post in your name(look at the bottom of the page) :
http://www.k9puppy.co.uk/Breeders/WolfDog.aspx

Greetings Rolf

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by rolf

If you are not a breeder, someone else must have made this post in your name(look at the bottom of the page) :
http://www.k9puppy.co.uk/Breeders/WolfDog.aspx

Greetings Rolf

thats not me...... my real name is lee, tikanni is just a name i use on here and im from bedford, bedfordshire england uk. i only have 2 dogs and there both 1 year old so i wouldnt be able to of bread them , so def not me....

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by tikaani

thats not me...... my real name is lee, tikanni is just a name i use on here and im from bedford, bedfordshire england uk. i only have 2 dogs and there both 1 year old so i wouldnt be able to of bread them , so def not me....

Ok ! Just a funny coincidence then...

Greetings Rolf

[tikaani]

Originally Posted by rolf

Ok ! Just a funny coincidence then...

Greetings Rolf

not realy, tikaani means wolf so a lot of people use it on sites... i work at anglian wolf society so trust me i wouldnt be travalin that distance every day to work, and if you still dont belive me ill send you my phone number so you can call me so you can check the area code on it.... its a bit silly thinkin that just becouse some one uses that name they must be the same person, like me thinkin that every one on here with the same name must be the same person, the uk aint that small.....

[saschia]

Originally Posted by tikaani

seems to me u just dont want them over here for your own interests. maybe u dont get on with one or two of the breaders over here, thats your problem but dont take it out on the rest of the people over here.....

Well, for myself I can say that this would not be true. I don't have other breeding interests, than to give pups to good hands and to see my pups as parents of next generation.
But I must say that sometimes I am not sure if I like wolfdogs being bred in other countries - the reasons I stated before - there are pups produced from parents who do not correspond to the breed standard, there are wolfdogs which are shy and not able to be among people, and there are people who breed with other breeds or even mixes/wolves and falsify the parentage of ther pups, and I am not sure if I can trust them.

So I have mixed feelings - on one hand, I am very happy that people around the world appreciate this breed's great qualities (and consider them positive as I do), that there are people willing to spare a lot of time and money to be with these creatures, but on the other hand I am scared where they are taking it later. I actually don't understand why some countries like Slovakia or Czech republic have strict breeding rules (which are put upon us from the kennel union representing FCI), while in other countries people can do what they want and still their papers have the same value for public as ours.

[Navajo]

Surely if they don't meet the requirements of the breed standard, before the mating of such dogs takes place, the clubs should make it clear that anything bred from those will not be registered. If the offspring are not registered, there is little or no point at all in breeding from them.

[saschia]

Originally Posted by Navajo

Surely if they don't meet the requirements of the breed standard, before the mating of such dogs takes place, the clubs should make it clear that anything bred from those will not be registered. If the offspring are not registered, there is little or no point at all in breeding from them.

Well, that's the problem - in some countries you can breed with such dogs and get pedigrees for your pups only if you get a permission, which has to based on something (other things about the dog are excellent and the dog has precious bloodline or something like that). But in others you can just breed anything, as long as the parents have papers, the pups will get them too. And either there is no local breeding club, or if there is it has no right to order or forbid anything, just make suggestions. The breeding clubs in countries of origin, although we are the guarantees for the breed, have no say.

Any overall breeding plan has no value, unless the breeders don't follow it and they won't. It is just not suitable enough for them, otherwise they would bonitate and X-ray their dogs, wouldn't they? So only thing we can do is make some breeding plans in our countries, make it easier for people from abroad to come for bonitations, sending our judges to do bonitations abroad etc.

You also have to remember that it is not about the money always, but lots of time it is. It is expensive for Slovaks to buy pups abroad. And even if you bring a pup, you have no assurance that it will grow into a good bitch/stud. Or you can breed your bitch abroad and hope that the pups will get into good hands and those which will be good would get through the process and be able to breed.

And of course as I mentioned before - most of animals bred abroad are no use to us, as they have no background for many generations, we don't know anything about their ancestors regarding the exterior, character and health.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by saschia

I actually don't understand why some countries like Slovakia or Czech republic have strict breeding rules (which are put upon us from the kennel union representing FCI), while in other countries people can do what they want and still their papers have the same value for public as ours.

Agree totaly, and I do not understand way it is not the same for HD in all FCI contrys,
but the bonitation might still bee hard in some contrys...

Best regards / Mikael

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Agree totaly, and I do not understand way it is not the same for HD in all FCI contrys,
but the bonitation might still bee hard in some contrys...

Best regards / Mikael

Did you ever experience a bonitation first hand ?

Bonitation is deffently not hard by any means, acually in my opinion it is too "soft" ! ...meassuring(the only good part in my opinion) should really be no problem for a well socialized dog and the character test is really weak/soft, in the character test happens not anything unusual for at dog who lives in a big city and in my opinion it is a shame to call it a character test, it should(in my opinion) be called "test of defending it selves with and without owner", because that is all there happens at the character test.

Greetings Rolf

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by rolf

Did you ever experience a bonitation first hand ?

Bonitation is deffently not hard by any means, acually in my opinion it is too "soft" ! ...meassuring(the only good part in my opinion) should really be no problem for a well socialized dog and the character test is really weak/soft, in the character test happens not anything unusual for at dog who lives in a big city and in my opinion it is a shame to call it a character test, it should(in my opinion) be called "test of defending it selves with and without owner", because that is all there happens at the character test.

Greetings Rolf

No, I have not yet... but I do hope it is better than nothing

In Sweden we must do a MH test to breed CsV,
but I wont to do a bonitation on my dogs in the future to,
even if I do not realy need to by the Swedish kennel club...

Atleast I will get some kind of judgement and meassuring

Dogshows results in Sweden or Scandinavia do not have any value at all,
just as in most European contrys...therefore I think it is important to do a bonitation anyway.

Best regards / Mikael

[Navajo]

Originally Posted by wolfin

Sory, but now you make only mix and pet, and not help to breed, but play God.
This cann make SK club and not others. Yours dog all thime be only mix and not be real pure CSW and now and 10 or more year latter.
and You and others from UK make big eyes when breeder not wish sale for UK pupps.

I don't totally understand your post. I think if breeders intoduce CsV and Saarloos to their current Inuit stock they will have a very different looking breed in 5 years time, the dogs will have a type. Remember that the CsV started out as a cross. Even now, when explaining the breed you still hear, wolf x GSD.

[wolfin]

Originally Posted by Navajo

I don't totally understand your post. I think if breeders intoduce CsV and Saarloos to their current Inuit stock they will have a very different looking breed in 5 years time, the dogs will have a type. Remember that the CsV started out as a cross. Even now, when explaining the breed you still hear, wolf x GSD.

hmmm, but this be breeding plan for Inuit dogs, but not CSW. Whe cann help to us breed this mixes?