Northern inuit dog

[saschia]

Originally Posted by tikaani

seems to me u just dont want them over here for your own interests. maybe u dont get on with one or two of the breaders over here, thats your problem but dont take it out on the rest of the people over here.....

Well, for myself I can say that this would not be true. I don't have other breeding interests, than to give pups to good hands and to see my pups as parents of next generation.
But I must say that sometimes I am not sure if I like wolfdogs being bred in other countries - the reasons I stated before - there are pups produced from parents who do not correspond to the breed standard, there are wolfdogs which are shy and not able to be among people, and there are people who breed with other breeds or even mixes/wolves and falsify the parentage of ther pups, and I am not sure if I can trust them.

So I have mixed feelings - on one hand, I am very happy that people around the world appreciate this breed's great qualities (and consider them positive as I do), that there are people willing to spare a lot of time and money to be with these creatures, but on the other hand I am scared where they are taking it later. I actually don't understand why some countries like Slovakia or Czech republic have strict breeding rules (which are put upon us from the kennel union representing FCI), while in other countries people can do what they want and still their papers have the same value for public as ours.

[Navajo]

Surely if they don't meet the requirements of the breed standard, before the mating of such dogs takes place, the clubs should make it clear that anything bred from those will not be registered. If the offspring are not registered, there is little or no point at all in breeding from them.

[saschia]

Originally Posted by Navajo

Surely if they don't meet the requirements of the breed standard, before the mating of such dogs takes place, the clubs should make it clear that anything bred from those will not be registered. If the offspring are not registered, there is little or no point at all in breeding from them.

Well, that's the problem - in some countries you can breed with such dogs and get pedigrees for your pups only if you get a permission, which has to based on something (other things about the dog are excellent and the dog has precious bloodline or something like that). But in others you can just breed anything, as long as the parents have papers, the pups will get them too. And either there is no local breeding club, or if there is it has no right to order or forbid anything, just make suggestions. The breeding clubs in countries of origin, although we are the guarantees for the breed, have no say.

Any overall breeding plan has no value, unless the breeders don't follow it and they won't. It is just not suitable enough for them, otherwise they would bonitate and X-ray their dogs, wouldn't they? So only thing we can do is make some breeding plans in our countries, make it easier for people from abroad to come for bonitations, sending our judges to do bonitations abroad etc.

You also have to remember that it is not about the money always, but lots of time it is. It is expensive for Slovaks to buy pups abroad. And even if you bring a pup, you have no assurance that it will grow into a good bitch/stud. Or you can breed your bitch abroad and hope that the pups will get into good hands and those which will be good would get through the process and be able to breed.

And of course as I mentioned before - most of animals bred abroad are no use to us, as they have no background for many generations, we don't know anything about their ancestors regarding the exterior, character and health.

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by saschia

I actually don't understand why some countries like Slovakia or Czech republic have strict breeding rules (which are put upon us from the kennel union representing FCI), while in other countries people can do what they want and still their papers have the same value for public as ours.

Agree totaly, and I do not understand way it is not the same for HD in all FCI contrys,
but the bonitation might still bee hard in some contrys...

Best regards / Mikael

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Agree totaly, and I do not understand way it is not the same for HD in all FCI contrys,
but the bonitation might still bee hard in some contrys...

Best regards / Mikael

Did you ever experience a bonitation first hand ?

Bonitation is deffently not hard by any means, acually in my opinion it is too "soft" ! ...meassuring(the only good part in my opinion) should really be no problem for a well socialized dog and the character test is really weak/soft, in the character test happens not anything unusual for at dog who lives in a big city and in my opinion it is a shame to call it a character test, it should(in my opinion) be called "test of defending it selves with and without owner", because that is all there happens at the character test.

Greetings Rolf

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by rolf

Did you ever experience a bonitation first hand ?

Bonitation is deffently not hard by any means, acually in my opinion it is too "soft" ! ...meassuring(the only good part in my opinion) should really be no problem for a well socialized dog and the character test is really weak/soft, in the character test happens not anything unusual for at dog who lives in a big city and in my opinion it is a shame to call it a character test, it should(in my opinion) be called "test of defending it selves with and without owner", because that is all there happens at the character test.

Greetings Rolf

No, I have not yet... but I do hope it is better than nothing

In Sweden we must do a MH test to breed CsV,
but I wont to do a bonitation on my dogs in the future to,
even if I do not realy need to by the Swedish kennel club...

Atleast I will get some kind of judgement and meassuring

Dogshows results in Sweden or Scandinavia do not have any value at all,
just as in most European contrys...therefore I think it is important to do a bonitation anyway.

Best regards / Mikael

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

No, I have not yet... but I do hope it is better than nothing

In Sweden we must do a MH test to breed CsV,
but I wont to do a bonitation on my dogs in the future to,
even if I do not realy need to by the Swedish kennel club...

Atleast I will get some kind of judgement and meassuring

Dogshows results in Sweden or Scandinavia do not have any value at all,
just as in most European contrys...therefore I think it is important to do a bonitation anyway.

Best regards / Mikael

Bonitation is a good thing because of meassuring and judgement of exterier, but the character-test at bonitation is just as useless as dogshows-results ...I hope the character-test at bonitation will be better sometime in the future ?

Greetings Rolf

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by rolf

Bonitation is a good thing because of meassuring and judgement of exterier, but the character-test at bonitation is just as useless as dogshows-results ...I hope the character-test at bonitation will be better sometime in the future ?

Greetings Rolf

Good that I will do a Swedish MH test to then,
but I do not know about its quality internationall ???

Have you done the Danish MH test on Uno ???

If... how is it in comparison whit the bonitation´s MH test ???

Regards / Mikael

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Good that I will do a Swedish MH test to then,
but I do not know about its quality internationall ???

Have you done the Danish MH test on Uno ???

If... how is it in comparison whit the bonitation´s MH test ???

Regards / Mikael

MH = Mental Health ?

I have not done any Mental Health/Character-test in Denmark with Uno and we have no rules for CSW saying that we should...
But I know how is works and it is much more complex than the character-test at bonitation, I think the most easy for me will be to explain how character-test at bonitation is done in Czech rep. :

First you have your dog on the leash and walk up to one person, shakes hands with the person and 3 other persons will join you in a way that you and your dog will stand in the middel of the 4 persons.
Then you put your dog on a chain which is attached to a pole and stand next to the dog, then a figurant walks by you and your dog, then the figurant turn around and make contact with your dog(letting the dog sniff his hand), the figurant is walking away, then he turn around and run towards you and your dog simulating an attack with a stick in his hand, then you go away and out of sight for your dog and the figurant do the same once again, but this time the dog is alone. ...thats all !!!

Ofcourse the dog should be relaxed, when figurant is walking by and it should be happy to greet the figurant when he makes contact, when the figurant simulate an attack, the dog should defend you and it selves.

Greetings Rolf

[Vaiva]

Originally Posted by Mikael

No, I have not yet... but I do hope it is better than nothing

In Sweden we must do a MH test to breed CsV,
but I wont to do a bonitation on my dogs in the future to,
even if I do not realy need to by the Swedish kennel club...

Atleast I will get some kind of judgement and meassuring

Dogshows results in Sweden or Scandinavia do not have any value at all,
just as in most European contrys...therefore I think it is important to do a bonitation anyway.

Best regards / Mikael

You can come to Lithuania for bonitation Not that far

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Vaiva

You can come to Lithuania for bonitation Not that far

Thanks fore the invitation maby in the future...

Best regards / Mikael